Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Truthseeker]

18 In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, 19 the earrings and bracelets and veils, 20 the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, 21 the signet rings and nose rings, 22 the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses 23 and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.



Using Is 3 Does RDP teach against perform, linen garments, purses, capes, cloaks as well???

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

18 In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, 19 the earrings and bracelets and veils, 20 the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, 21 the signet rings and nose rings, 22 the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses 23 and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.



Using Is 3 Does RDP teach against perform, linen garments, purses, capes, cloaks as well???

OF COURSE NOT, you crazy man!!! Why on earth would we assume that God hates linen garments, purses, capes and cloaks just because He took them away from Israel as a punishment?

Oh...wait....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

18 In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, 19 the earrings and bracelets and veils, 20 the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, 21 the signet rings and nose rings, 22 the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses 23 and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.



Using Is 3 Does RDP teach against perform, linen garments, purses, capes, cloaks as well???

Ughhhh, remember that bit about "context"???? See Bernard's Practical Holiness & In Search of Holiness....just for starters.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ughhhh, remember that bit about "context"???? See Bernard's Practical Holiness & In Search of Holiness....just for starters.

What would be the context of Isaiah 3? Is it to be taken literal?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What would be the context of Isaiah 3? Is it to be taken literal?

Sure it's literal...which is more than we can say for Ezek. 16! The context of Is. 3 is extravangance & ostentatious display manifest thru ornamentation. Thus, when we come to the clothing articles listed, it's apparent [& some translations actually indicate this] that there was elaborate designs & probably even metals woven into them. The point is, they were "literally" wearing this stuff...which God called "filth" in chp. 4:4. Do we have the same God today or not? Of course we do........rdp.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rdp

Sure it's literal...which is more than we can say for Ezek. 16! The context of Is. 3 is extravangance & ostentatious display manifest thru ornamentation. Thus, when we come to the clothing articles listed, it's apparent [& some translations actually indicate this] that there was elaborate designs & probably even metals woven into them. The point is, they were "literally" wearing this stuff...which God called "filth" in chp. 4:4. Do we have the same God today or not? Of course we do........rdp.

Wow. You have to really stretch to know for a fact that Isa. 4:4 is referring directly to their adornment as "filth."

Why would God say that their adornment was filth, when He's the one who adorned them in the first place? You keep complaining about people skipping over the word "...NOT...(with gold....)", but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that God decorated Israel in the first place. He took it away as a punishment for their sins.

Eze 16:7 -14 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

....Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

...Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

...I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

...I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

...And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

...Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

...And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.



Let's get this straight:

GOD adorned Israel, because she pleased Him. (Of course, we know that later it was all taken away because she displeased Him.)

What is your straightforward interpretation of that?


IMO, the explanation for this passage, and the principle for the NT verses are found in this pivotal verse:

Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Wow. You have to really stretch to know for a fact that Isa. 4:4 is referring directly to their adornment as "filth."

Why would God say that their adornment was filth, when He's the one who adorned them in the first place? You keep complaining about people skipping over the word "...NOT...(with gold....)", but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that God decorated Israel in the first place. He took it away as a punishment for their sins.

Eze 16:7 -14 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

....Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

...Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

...I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

...I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

...And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

...Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

...And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.



Let's get this straight:

GOD adorned Israel, because she pleased Him. (Of course, we know that later it was all taken away because she displeased Him.)

What is your straightforward interpretation of that?


IMO, the explanation for this passage, and the principle for the NT verses are found in this pivotal verse:

Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Wow. You have to really stretch to know for a fact that Isa. 4:4 is referring directly to their adornment as "filth."

Why would God say that their adornment was filth, when He's the one who adorned them in the first place? You keep complaining about people skipping over the word "...NOT...(with gold....)", but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that God decorated Israel in the first place. He took it away as a punishment for their sins.

Eze 16:7 -14 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

....Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

...Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

...I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

...I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

...And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

...Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

...And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.



Let's get this straight:

GOD adorned Israel, because she pleased Him. (Of course, we know that later it was all taken away because she displeased Him.)

What is your straightforward interpretation of that?


IMO, the explanation for this passage, and the principle for the NT verses are found in this pivotal verse:

Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

How does this passage relate to the Christian character that New Testament believers are supposed to have? Honestly I disagree with RDP that jewelry was a sin in the OT. However we do see the problems that wearing jewelry caused people to have in the OT. They were puffed up and played the harlot and worshipped what they had. Are men any different today? Do you not believe this is what caused Peter and Paul to write what they did regarding adornment? They knew well the scriptures quoted. What saith the Spirit unto the churches today?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Wow. You have to really stretch to know for a fact that Isa. 4:4 is referring directly to their adornment as "filth."

Why would God say that their adornment was filth, when He's the one who adorned them in the first place? You keep complaining about people skipping over the word "...NOT...(with gold....)", but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that God decorated Israel in the first place. He took it away as a punishment for their sins.

Eze 16:7 -14 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

....Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

...Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

...I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

...I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

...And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

...Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

...And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.



Let's get this straight:

GOD adorned Israel, because she pleased Him. (Of course, we know that later it was all taken away because she displeased Him.)

What is your straightforward interpretation of that?


IMO, the explanation for this passage, and the principle for the NT verses are found in this pivotal verse:

Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

Say whaaaaat?? Where do the Scriptures say that "God was the one who adorned" the daughters of Jerusalem in Is. 3-4:________? Ho-Hum...more assumptions to NEVER be backed by demonstrations [go figure].

Now, "let's get this straight," since you folks looooove to appeal to Ezek. 16, would you have a problem w/ your Pastor [assuming you have one?] being "decked" brilliant stones [including nose/tongue rings], fine linen, etc. teaching you about modesty & temperance? Y or N:________?

You folks just simply refuse to see your bias'..........can't have it both ways young lady.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rdp

Say whaaaaat?? Where do the Scriptures say that "God was the one who adorned" the daughters of Jerusalem in Is. 3-4:________? Ho-Hum...more assumptions to NEVER be backed by demonstrations [go figure].

Now, "let's get this straight," since you folks looooove to appeal to Ezek. 16, would you have a problem w/ your Pastor [assuming you have one?] being "decked" brilliant stones [including nose/tongue rings], fine linen, etc. teaching you about modesty & temperance? Y or N:________?

You folks just simply refuse to see your bias'..........can't have it both ways young lady.

I know some would say bible generally speaks of women being adorned. Even in Ezek it's refering to him finding Isreal adorning her and such. Many of the stuff listed in ez is feminine stuff.

It appears adornment in the bible was generally a women thing. Maybe that's why even in NT it only speaks to women about it???