DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

Again I hope this pastor is freed ... and the verdict is still out on whether his fellowship and closely aligned with Branham .... but to jump the gun and somehow proclaim that this group is "Apostolic" simply because it appears to baptize in "Jesus name" ... or that it makes it an automatic entry into the AOP ranks is interesting, at least to me ...

So if I baptize babies in Jesus name by sprinkling, believe the Holy Ghost is received by the laying of hands and animal sacrifice ... I'm Apostolic?

DA:

I consider Branhamites to be a fringe element of Apostolica; do you?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

DA:

I consider Branhamites to be a fringe element of Apostolica; do you?

As it stands I view them as a cult in every sense of the word.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

As it stands I view them as a cult in every sense of the word.

That doesn't answer the question and you know it.

I view Branhamism as a cult, too, but they are still a fringe element of Apostolics, IMO. Therefore if a pastor has *connections* with them, he could also LIKELY be Apostolic, whether he himself is a Branhamite or not.

DKB did NOT claim that this pastor was UPCI. That doesn't mean he's not telling the truth by saying it's someone they've been in contact with.

I just don't understand the point of the thread, DA. This man could lose his life for sharing the Gospel (as best he knows it - if he's part of a cult and is sharing false doctrine, I'm not aware of it, and it doesn't make me any less concerned for him). When I first read the article, it said something about him being part of a "'Full Gospel" group, so I assumed he was trinitarian. The best thing we can do is pray for him and his family, and maybe we can solve the mystery of what he believes and teaches at a later date, hopefully after his sentence is NOT carried out.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

That doesn't answer the question and you know it.

I view Branhamism as a cult, too, but they are still a fringe element of Apostolics, IMO. Therefore if a pastor has *connections* with them, he could also LIKELY be Apostolic, whether he himself is a Branhamite or not.

DKB did NOT claim that this pastor was UPCI. That doesn't mean he's not telling the truth by saying it's someone they've been in contact with.

I just don't understand the point of the thread, DA. This man could lose his life for sharing the Gospel (as best he knows it - if he's part of a cult and is sharing false doctrine, I'm not aware of it, and it doesn't make me any less concerned for him). When I first read the article, it said something about him being part of a "'Full Gospel" group, so I assumed he was trinitarian. The best thing we can do is pray for him and his family, and maybe we can solve the mystery of what he believes and teaches at a later date, hopefully after his sentence is NOT carried out.

No, their teaching is not apostolic in any sense of the word ... and you can keep that hooey on your side of the Apostolica fence if you're comfortable smelling it .... the apostles wouldn't believe nor teach many of William Branham's teachings or claims ... A FALSE PROPHET IS A FALSE PROPHET IS A FALSE PROPHET.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

No, they're not apostolic in any sense of the word ... and you can keep that hooey on your side of the Apostolica fence if your comfortable smelling it .... the apostles wouldn't believe nor teach many of William Branham's teachings or claims.

And you think I feel any differently about their beliefs?

Are you upset because DKB referenced the pastor as an Apostolic contact, and you think he's trying to garner a connection that doesn't really exist? Maybe to get some press?

Or are you irritated that we might waste time praying for a possible cult member/leader?

Both? Neither?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

And you think I feel any differently about their beliefs?

Are you upset because DKB referenced the pastor as an Apostolic contact, and you think he's trying to garner a connection that doesn't really exist? Maybe to get some press?

Or are you irritated that we might waste time praying for a possible cult member/leader?

Both? Neither?

I think it's more of the political rhetoric we've come to get used too ... if we read the bulletin's language with a cursory glance it would seem the UPCI is staying low but is somehow wheeling and dealing and maneuvering to help manufacture unprecedented REVIVAL ... in IRAN.

but we have not directly involved the UPCI name because of concern about harming other evangelistic efforts in the region.

After you peel the layers ... you're left with just what?

And yes ... I think Youcef is a Christian ... but what's this incessant need to own him ?

Press for Jesus name baptism? But Jeff Garner and Rex Jones and TD Jakes baptize in Jesus name too ... and so do some AOG churches and so did the Celtic Catholic church.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think it's more of the political rhetoric we've come to get used too ... if we read the bulletin's language with a cursory glance it would seem the UPCI is staying low but is somehow wheeling and dealing and maneuvering to help manufacture REVIVAL ... in IRAN.

And yes ... I think Youcef is a Christian ... but what's this incessant need to own him?

Got it. I don't know, but I understand the annoyance if that's really happening. Following that implication...well, I'm not superstitious, but it just seems like bad karma to state the obvious.

I posted a thread earlier with an article, and it didn't even occur to me that he might be Apostolic. For one thing, it seems that trinitarians have laid a better foundation in missions and have way more inroads than we do, so I usually think missionaries in the news are trinitarian unless it's specified otherwise.

Time will tell if this is true or not, I guess. (That he's an "Apostolic contact.")

Btw, I did read in one article that he would be the first Christian executed in Iran in more than 20 years. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, it's a nice statistic to lean on. Let's hope they don't make an example out of this young pastor.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

No, their teaching is not apostolic in any sense of the word ... and you can keep that hooey on your side of the Apostolica fence if you're comfortable smelling it .... the apostles wouldn't believe nor teach many of William Branham's teachings or claims ... A FALSE PROPHET IS A FALSE PROPHET IS A FALSE PROPHET.

Sure it is
They believe baptism is to be done in Jesus name

God is a singular personal being and Jesus is that Person manifest in flesh

That's a big chunk of what we usually call "Apostolic"

And many followers Branham also believe tongues is the evidence of the baptism of the Spirit.;

[Sam]

The term Apostolic covers a pretty broad spectrum of believers, doesn't it?

If you and I can be considered Apostolic, and we are diverse from one another in some ways, we need to cut some slack for others who are not exactly like us.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by Sam

The term Apostolic covers a pretty broad spectrum of believers, doesn't it?

If you and I can be considered Apostolic, and we are diverse from one another in some ways, we need to cut some slack for others who are not exactly like us.

Humble question: then what is the common tie that qualifies one as apostolic?

I know some branhamites, and I have a hard time not considering it crazy stuff.