DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?

[Hoovie]

"Apostolic", "Pentecostal", "Charismatic" - all are terms that might apply to UPC and Brahamites both. I don't think anyone was claiming they are an official dues paying member of a club of sorts.

Presence of tongues or not would not be as disturbing as some of the other Banhamite teachings. Still yet, I think I am comfortable calling the pastor in question my brother given what I know of him. That's the bottom line.

How about you DA? From your "Cult" statements, I take it you do not see the man as brother?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

"Apostolic", "Pentecostal", "Charismatic" - all are terms that might apply to UPC and Brahamites both. I don't think anyone was claiming they are an official dues paying member of a club of sorts.

Presence of tongues or not would not be as disturbing as some of the other Banhamite teachings. Still yet, I think I am comfortable calling the pastor in question my brother given what I know of him. That's the bottom line.

Branham's brand of "Oneness" ... as posited by his own followers @ believethesign.com:

Source: http://en.believethesign.com/index.p...Q%26A:_Oneness

Question: William Branham believed the Oneness doctrine as presented by the United Pentecostal Church. You misrepresent the Oneness doctrine by your statements on your website.

In the sermon The Godhead Explained William Branham tells of when he was confronted by the Assemblies of God (Trinitarian) and the United Pentecostal Church (Oneness) and forced to clearly define his doctrine. Both denominations wanted him clearly on their side, but were ready to reject his ministry if he did not stand with their doctrine. William Branham asked them, "Is there a possiblity that there could be a medium between you brethren?"

At the end of their discussion, William Branham had the UPC representative and the Assemblies representative acknowledge that the other had the Holy Spirit. He then explained his method of baptism, and asked if either one would have trouble accepting an individual baptized like this into their church. Neither had a problem with William Branham's method of baptism. In this same sermon, William Branham tells of another confrontation with a UPC minister. This minister said "You know what we are going to do? We are drawing a little ring and drawing you right out of our circle." William Branham responded, "If you draw me out, I will draw you back in."

William Branham's doctrine is a bridge between the Oneness and Trinitarian doctrines, sometimes agreeing with and sometimes challenging the conclusions of these established doctrines.

The biggest problem the Oneness Apostolic movement and Trinitarian AOG had with Branham was his "ecumenicalism" and fruity teachings like his "oil" doctrine.

Simply put rejected by both establishments BECAUSE HE DIDN'T FIT ... NOR DID HE CARE TO.

[Hoovie]

Soooo... Let me get this right,

Branham does not line up with UPC positions on the person of God and Tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit, therefore he and his following are a bonafide "Cult"?

[DAII]

Branham's mode of baptism:

How Branham would baptize .... both mentioning the titles and the name of Jesus:

But I said, "When I take a man to the water; I walk up there and ask him and talk, and get his name and whoever he is, and his faith, then I pray and say, 'Now, Father, as Thou has commissioned us to go unto all the world and make disciples of all nations (You brethren know that's the original. See?)--make disciples of all nations, baptizing them into the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe whatever things that Thou has... all things that Thou has taught us.' So then, I said, 'Upon your confession of faith, upon your confession of your sins and your faith in the Son of God, I baptize thee, my beloved brother, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.'" I said, "That's the way I baptize. I both recognize His titles, for He was both Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and the reason Jesus said that was..."

I said, "If I ever baptized one out in your all's churches, that's the way I'll baptize." I said, "Would you receive him, Brother Ness?"
He said, "Certainly. He's been baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost."
I said, "Would you receive Him, Brother Scism?"
He said, "Certainly he's been baptized in Jesus' Name."
I said, "Then what is the matter with you brethren. Why don't you accept that and break down these walls where these poor human beings are... The Oneness want to really... The--the congregations, they want to worship with the Assemblies, and the Assemblies congregation wants to worship with the Oneness, and brethren are that way. They are that way, but as long as the devil can make them fight..."

From the Godhead Explained: http://www.nathan.co.za/message.asp?sermonum=761

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Soooo... Let me get this right,

Branham does not line up with UPC positions on the person of God and Tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit, therefore he and his following are a bonafide "Cult"?

No we'd have to go into his pet doctrines like Serpent Seed, being the last prophet and "the sign" ... and the recordings ... Stevie ... to discuss their cult-like status.

This issue is whether his "Oneness" views truly line up with what a man like DKB would call Apostolic ... and no matter how we slice it ... he was as Charismatic as you are when it comes to tongues ... and DKB doesn't think that's APOSTOLIC

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by DAII

No we'd have to go into his pet doctrines like Serpent Seed and "the sign" ... and the recordings ... Stevie.

This issue is whether his "Oneness" views truly line up with what a man like DKB would call Apostolic ... and no matter how we slice it ... he was as Charismatic as you were when it comes to tongues.

I think it's a bit unfair though.

How about asking if David Barnard believes Goss, and Yadon were "Apostolic" since they had differing views from his own?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I think it's a bit unfair though.

How about asking if David Barnard believes Goss, and Yadon were "Apostolic" since they had differing views from his own?

And why is it so important they even be "Apostolic" branded anyhow?

Goss and Yadon believed in the essentiality of tongues for HGB.

And the biblical standard as defined by the Fundamental Doctrine.

You don't. We've discussed this ... before.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by DAII

Goss and Yadon believed in the essentiality of tongues for HGB.

.

But not for Salvation/New Birth

[Hoovie]

And why is it so important they even be "Apostolic" branded anyhow?

I know what you are doing DA, but this seems to be in poor taste. If the accusation is DKB is an opportunist for reporting this and requesting prayer it's not a good way to do it.

Let's just all pray for the pastor in question. He needs the body of Christ.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I know what you are doing DA, but this seems to be in poor taste. If the accusation is DKB is an opportunist for reporting this and requesting prayer it's not a good way to do it.

Thanks for sharing.

Let's just all pray for the pastor in question. He needs the body of Christ.

We agree.