Welcome Azzan Thread - Page 13

MissBrattified · #**121** 10-27-2010, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

WERE sinners, I know that is hard for you to deal with, but the name of the game is change through repentance.

Sorry, Jesus wasn't giving the right hand of fellowship or the kiss of greeting to any male prostitutes.

I'm sorry, but YOU are misquoting the scripture. Isn't that against your religion? It's against mine.

It doesn't say "AFTER you *were* sinners", Christ died for you." It says "WHILE you were YET (that means "still", in case you didn't know) SINNERS"

Christ died for ME while I was STILL a sinner!!!!!!! Good grief. What is wrong with you? That's basic Bible, brother.

Bowas · #**122** 10-27-2010, 12:42 AM

A question I have is why would this individual feel it was important to identify his/her sin? This is not a counceling forum or any place where one's sin's (prior or present) need to be aired.
If one is repented, it is under the blood and there it should remain. Why must certain groups always seem to be seeking an identity. We were all sinners but it is no ones buisness what sins that we are tempted with.
If they are Apostolic, they are no longer gay, if they are gay, they are not Apostolic.

Charnock · #**123** 10-27-2010, 12:44 AM

The notion that AFF is trying to convert this homosexual is laughable and downright silly.

You are not going to convert him by telling him he's okay, and suggesting he has no need of repentance.

No, you are way too worried about his feelings, and very unconcerned for his soul.

Charnock · #**124** 10-27-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

A question I have is why would this individual feel it was important to identify his/her sin? This is not a counceling forum or any place where one's sin's (prior or present) need to be aired.
If one is repented, it is under the blood and there it should remain. Why must certain groups always seem to be seeking an identity. We were all sinners but it is no ones buisness what sins that we are tempted with.
If they are Apostolic, they are no longer gay, if they are gay, they are not Apostolic.

Exactly.

However, it's very vogue to be tolerant these days.

Charnock · #**125** 10-27-2010, 12:49 AM

Btw, has anyone thought to research the name "Azzan?"

It means strong thorn.

Think about it.

MissBrattified · #**126** 10-27-2010, 12:50 AM

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The notion that AFF is trying to convert this homosexual is laughable and downright silly.

I think it's pretty clear that Azzan's posts were mainly relevant to another thread, and no one seemed to be under the impression that he would be converted anytime soon.

That said, EB's posts are still way off the mark from a scriptural perspective.

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You are not going to convert him by telling him he's okay, and suggesting he has no need of repentance.

Who suggested that Azzan had no need of repentance?

Charnock · #**127** 10-27-2010, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think it's pretty clear that Azzan's posts were mainly relevant to another thread, and no one seemed to be under the impression that he would be converted anytime soon.

That said, EB's posts are still way off the mark from a scriptural perspective.

Who suggested that Azzan had no need of repentance?

Have you suggested he does need to repent?

MissBrattified · #**128** 10-27-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

Have you suggested he does need to repent?

No, not specifically. I thought the AFF's stance on homosexuality that was clearly posted on the original thread covered that adequately. I completely support that post.

Who suggested that Azzan had no need of repentance?

Charnock · #**129** 10-27-2010, 01:01 AM

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No, not specifically. I thought the AFF's stance on homosexuality that was clearly posted on the original thread covered that adequately. I completely support that post.

Who suggested that Azzan had no need of repentance?

Several have suggested he does need to repent, to many jeers.

Evang.Benincasa · #**130** 10-27-2010, 01:03 AM

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Jesus didn't shy away from giving the Pharisees or Sadducees "ammo", and that is a VERY weak argument anyway.

Sister, what was the penalty for homosexuals in the Bible?
Do you know what the Jews did to homosexuals during the time of Jesus Christ? Way worse than what they did to adulterer.

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I don't find any record in scripture where Jesus ever shunned the company of a sinner. Do you have one to share? I'd be happy to read it.

Leviticus 20:13, and Romans 1:26–27. While Leviticus calls for the death penalty, Paul still calls homosexuality an abomination. One that God hates.
To be fraternizing with active unrepentant homosexuals would of been impossible. Most of the homosexuals during the first century were temple prostitutes. The Jews would of killed them on the spot if they wandered into their districts that were off limits to the Gentiles. Let alone homosexual Gentiles.

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Of COURSE He wanted to call sinners to repentance; Christians should be concerned with the same goal.

Wait a minute, isn't that what the scripture verse you had offered dealing with? It is dealing with Jesus giving the religious Jews an explanation on WHY He is hanging out with the dregs of society. Not, to be their politically correct bud, but to call them out from their perversion. I think that is pretty simple.

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But saying that He only cares about "repentant sinners?"

Of course He does.

Does God hear the prayer of sinners?

You can't be actively involved in debauchery and be in communion with God.

Someone who is a pedophile still have communion with God?

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That's a twist you don't get out of scripture. Christ died for us well in advance of our repentance.

Sister, you are either missing it, or not understanding what is being said.

Sister, Jesus died for all sins, yet we MUST REPENTANT.

No other way around that.

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He cared for me from the moment I was conceived,

So, were you saved at birth? Were you born saved? No, you don't believe that. Jesus didn't hang out with homosexuals who were actively seeking homosexual relationships. Sorry, that is not what Matthew 9:10-13 is saying.

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(and before) and well in advance of my realization that He existed.

Again, you weren't saved before you realized He existed. You and all others must repentant. No repentance no communion. Reject Christ, and you in turn are rejected. Play with the salvation and you will be turned over to eternal rejection.

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You'll never have the chance to lead a homosexual to Christ if you never talk to one.

I live in Fort Lauderdale. Think about it.

Also, they aren't looking to change, and those who are in the "I'm struggling" movement aren't looking to change either. Only those who are ready to get real and repentant and stop making excuses for their sin will overcome.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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