The Current PAJC Beliefs

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Pervasive no, present yes.

Then ... why no righteous indignation? ... why then are you so focused on standards ... and not examining how many are entering our churches and leave damaged.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Then ... why no righteous indignation? ... why then are you so focused on standards ... and not examining how many are entering our churches and leave damaged.

You lost me there, pardner.

????

Damaged how?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

You lost me there, pardner.

????

Damaged how?

Maybe it will become clearer, one day... or perhaps someone can elaborate on the effects of preaching Holy Ghost or Hell as preached by the PACJers.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Maybe it will become clearer, one day... or perhaps someone can elaborate on the effects of preaching Holy Ghost or Hell as preached by the PACJers.

Well I believe if you don't have His Spirit, you are none of His.
Does that make me a bad preacher?

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well I believe if you don't have His Spirit, you are none of His.
Does that make me a bad preacher?

Has elvis left the bldg.?

Bad preacher Bad Preacher

You know your supposed to go on the paper!

[berkeley]

I endorse this thread...

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

There is a huge problem with your logic here.


1. If you lump me in with the anti-television zealots, you are saying that my definition of Acts 2:38 is as heretical as saying "watching a television will send you to Hell". I cannot imagine Daniel thinking or saying such a thing about me.

2. Spiritual abortion comes in many guises. Which is worse, addiing an unnecessary obstacle to a new believers pathway to Jesus, or never even telling them how to properly respond to the gospel?

I guess I did read into his comment accurately...

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

PP ... this is exactly what Felicity and others have been trying to say about those who would make the gift of the Holy Ghost as an obstacle ... or forcing others to accept your exact soteriological view ....

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Right now I picture you as a parrot on Daniel's shoulder -echoing everything he says. Care to share some original thoughts on the subject?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

J-Roc ... my parrot, lol... He's my mentor.

Hey PP, put that little fish down...and man up...step up your game!

See my avatar!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

What about the spiritually disabled? There are many of such folks, does God's mercy fail with those that just cannot understand?

Bump for Bro. Epley?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

The truth is until we come to understand the inescapable love of God, we will continue to blow about how right we are, and how everyone that is not just like us has missed it.

In contrast to EP's declaration I will make a biblical declaration: SINCE CALVARY NOT ONE SIN HAS BEEN IMPUTED TO ANY HUMAN BEING THAT HAS EVERY LIVED! That's right God does not count your sins against you, BECAUSE EVERY TIME HE LOOKS AT YOU HE IS LOOKING THRU THE SIN CLEANSING BLOOD OF JESUS! JUST LIKE WHEN ADAM SINNED SIN WAS IMPUTED TO EVERY HUMAN BEING THAT WAS EVER BORN. WHEN JESUS BLOOD WAS SHED EVERY SIN WAS PAID FOR, AND YOU WERE MADE RIGHTEOUS.

Romans 4.5 "But to him who DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES on Him who justifies the UNGODLY, his FAITH is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness APART FROM WORKS.

Steve, it time to read Romans as well as Acts, there is much more to scripture than "apostolic" pet verses. The whole counsel of God, is to seek and to save that which is lost. They are lost to the LIFE of God not to some "hellhole" of human imagination.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Care to list some of those "apostolic" pet verses.