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I quote myself..."The infilling of the Holy isn't just one of 3 steps to salvation. It is salvation." That is the basis of Wilkerson's and everyone else's salvation who belongs to Christ by virtue of the fact they have the Spirit of Christ. So yes, you are indeed acting like Sean.
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Wow, Esaias and I are now Sean? Why? Because we disagreed you? Is that the extent of our fellowship, as long as we are in lock step with your "opinions" concerning the Bible we are ...good? My brother, David Wilkerson was a hypocrite from his own mouth. He was also a false prophet (read The Vision). The greatest preacher of the 20th century? David Wilkerson preached that Paul was a reprobate, and includes himself as having the same issue. David Wilkerson clearly misinterpreted Paul's words in
1 Corinthians 9:27. Paul wasn't saying that he was a reprobate. Paul was saying that he kept his body under subjection that after he taught the church how to live he wouldn't fall himself. That's simple cornbread preaching. David Wilkerson couldn't get that straight.
I don't have to look far for an answer as to why we continue in our sins. I look into my own heart. More and more I think of the time that I have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Every day of my life now I think of it. When I have to stand before my Jesus and look into his loving eyes, when I have to give an account of everything I've preached and I go over the years that I've preached things to others and demanded things of people I NEVER KEPT MYSELF I know that other than the grace of God and the merciful. I couldn't stand before him and Paul knew that too. He said lest having preached to others I myself become a castaway. In other words, I stand before Jesus and I DIDN'T LIVE WHAT i PREACHED [David Wilkerson, Shall We Continue In Sin]
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Again, you are pulling a Sean.
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All I can respond to this is...really?
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And again, I quote myself..." you are completely poo-pooing one of the greatest testimonies for Jesus Christ of the 20th century." I did not say "the greatest testimony in the 20th century". You should apologize and repent.
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Oh, that really doesn't change much, whether he is "THE" greatest testimony or one of the many greatest testimonies of the 20th century. You still are telling us the indicator of salvation is solely based on works alone. Instead of Bible soteriology.
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No, he is not. Peter mentions this concerning Cornelius in Acts 10. He was no respecter of persons in giving Wilkerson the Holy Ghost, just like he gave it to you. |
David Moses Berg believed he had the Holy Ghost. Jim Jones as a little boy attended UPCI Sunday school. What I'm posting is this, what you believe to be a Holy Ghost filled individual and what God considers a Holy Ghost individual is two different things. While all these individuals believed they had the Holy Ghost didn't negate the need of the correct soteriology. To think it does is throwing the Bible out the window. Seriously?
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So sad that neither you or Esaias see the harsh judgment you are setting yourselves up for.
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So, the flip side of that is if Esaias and I were more Milquetoast about salvation then God would give us more mercy? Let me ask you this question, can a person have salvation without baptism, Jesus name or titles, and without speaking in tongues? Don't get upset and start calling me names, I'm just asking you a question.
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You are actually claiming doctrinal perfection.
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Really? So soteriology is a mystery?
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But know this, if there is even the slightest misunderstanding in anything you believe, then you are headed for hell.
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Bro, if God made New Testament as cryptic as I think you are alluding to, then we are all in trouble.
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You guys think you are defending the word, but you are really puffed up with spiritual pride.
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Again, the flip side of this, would be that if we keep our mouths shut and have you as our pastor than we will be assured heaven? I'm sorry, but you obviously don't consider what you are posting right now. Because if we don't agree with your belief system we are the bad guys, and you are good because you make nothing a doctrinal issue? You do only when you see something wrong with the two Pentecostal Organizations AoG or UPC? Just trying to understand where you are coming from. Because I can see a hair pulling contest brewing here. I really don't want you and I to go there.
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We are talking about people who, like us, stand on the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as their means of salvation.
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Every Catholic will tell you that they do the same. Every Presbyterian or Mormon will emphatically tell you they do the same. When Moses David Berg was alive he would with full strength tell you the same. Bro, Jesus said the way to eternal life was narrow, and the opening slightly cracked, the broadway leads to total destruction and many enter in. Do the math, the lion share loses big time.
Acts 2:38 is a must, not just an option.
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These are men and women who preach "washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost" just like we do. Yes, I think they have misunderstood the timing of that work of God and further erred by thinking there are "2 works of grace".
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Bro, so you think they were in error? Your words not mine. So how much error can one be in and still make heaven their home? I'm sorry, we can't have our cake and eat it too. There is only one Truth, If I don't have it, I need to do my utmost to find it. I can't blame you, I can't blame anyone. I will only blame myself. I can't be guilted into truth,or berated into truth, or loved into truth. I need to want and need to find the opening in the door of the sheepfold which is the Jesus Christ. Paul warned us that there was another Christ, and another spirit and another Gospel.
Galatians 1:6-9 2 Corinthians 11:4.
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But God STILL bears witness of them, giving them the same gift he gave you. God is striving with them as they sort through doctrinal clarification just as he is striving with YOU. The sad part is, you don't think God is striving with you. After all, you know "the truth", and there is no more striving needed on God's part where you are concerned, right?
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Bro, Biblical New Testament soteriology isn't rocket science.
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I shudder sometimes when I read the things you guys post. I cry out, "Please have mercy on my brothers! Help them to understand just how dependent they really are on the grace you bestowed on them when you gave them your Spirit". Brother, I truly say these things out of concern. I look forward to seeing you in Glory. But I hate to think of the shame you will bear before the throne as much of what you taught is burned up as wood, hay, and stubble as it passes through the fire.
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I appreciate your concern and love for me. Thank you.
The Bible is a library of books, which denominations have adjusted to fit their doctrinal stance. They all have a Jesus which doesn't appear in the Bible. Jesus wasn't inclusive of all the different Christian beliefs, and dogmas. The Apostle Paul fought against Judaizers and Kabbalist Gnostics. Both groups which have strongholds in Churchanity. We aren't faith alone, and we aren't works alone salvation. We are doctrine based Apostolics, and must be vigilant to be sighted guides. The Christian walk isn't a forum where we can flippantly debate these things. Our own necks are on the line, so I just can't salute everything that is flown up the flag.
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