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Old 08-24-2012, 10:09 AM
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Re: Oneness Doctrine:Who Is Jesus Father?

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The first issue is what was Jesus saying, was he saying one in number or one in purpose. One can hold that the context of this passage means one in purpose yet still affirm God is one.
The Jews knew what he meant hence their reaction:

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

(Notice their reaction to what he said)

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Notice why they wanted to stone him. They understood that statement "I and my Father are one" to mean Jesus was claiming to be God.
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:29 PM
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Re: Oneness Doctrine:Who Is Jesus Father?

I like things simple and straightforward when possible. In the video I present Peter teaching the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob as being the God of Jesus. Acts 3:13.

So now all we need is to know who the God of Abe, Issac, and Jacob is. Then we will know who is the Father of Jesus.

In his introduction to Moses God says he is the I AM. He moreover says he is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Exodus 3:1-13-15

Now we know that the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is the I AM we can say without doubt THE I AM is the Father of Jesus.

We all should agree on that. Anyone disagree with that?

Yet Jesus stood before the Pharisees and said "before Abraham was I AM".

If his Father was I AM which is it? Are there two I AM'S? Or is Jesus the Father of his own self? Hence "I and my Father are one"?

I see no difference in Jesus saying "I and my Father are one" and "Before Abraham was I am". Its the same thing.
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