Debunking a 9-11 myth

[Fionn mac Cumh]

That was from my neck of the woods.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I also know that when someone wants to demolish a skyscraper they bring in experts that study and examine the building beforehand. The reason is they want it to collapse on itself. If not the building would tilt and spread wreckage everywhere and damage other buildings. The experts are very specific about where they place explosives, what type of explosive and how the explosion is aimed. Then they are very specific about the timing of the explosions. Everything must be perfect or the building will not collapse on itself.
The twin towers did indeed collapse on itself, miraculously. This reason alone makes me believe the government is hiding something.
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are you kidding? It most certainly did not collapse on itself. it spread damage over a LARGE area. at least a half dozen large buildings around the twin towers were either damaged or destroyed

[shazeep]

ya, and there are other anomalies that suggest other forces at work; the ptb may have been testing a power weapon, perhaps. That it came down at free-fall speeds precludes death by jumbo jet absolutely, imo; but there are several clues that it wasn't a straightforward demolition also.

[Aquila]

I believe the government knew an attack was coming. I don't believe they understood exactly how many were involved, or exactly when and where. Seeing that they didn't have enough information to prevent it... I believe the government just "braced itself" and waited. When it happened, I'm not sure anyone knew of what magnitude it would become. I do think the towers fell due to the heat and fire resulting from the planes impact. I think the government expected the attack to give them a green light to conduct military reprisal and perhaps allow them to further a regime change agenda in Iraq. But I don't think anyone knew how terrible the attack would be... or how expansive the military response would become.

[Aquila]

Sometimes you know something is coming. You don't know what it is. You have an idea of how you might respond. All you can do is wait and say, "I dare ya."

[shazeep]

...um, and also "stand down." ok. And any 1st year engineer can explain the impossibility of that building coming down at free-fall speed without help. It cannot happen. It is impossible. Just make a 4 sided column out of wire screen, soak a pencil in diesel, light it up, and poke it through the screen to see. The analogy is very close, except of course the screen will melt much quicker than the latticed steel beams.

[n david]

The hacker, "Guccifer," is claiming he hacked the email of high-level military officials which show a conversation about detonating a nuke in a city in Pennsylvania sometime this year. Chicago was also mentioned.

He's the hacker who hacked into GWB's emails and posted the pics of Bush's paintings; and the one who hacked Clinton's emails with her staff which detailed her network of spys.

[shazeep]

interesting...got a link? ah-found it
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...ctions&es_th=1

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by shazeep

...um, and also "stand down." ok. And any 1st year engineer can explain the impossibility of that building coming down at free-fall speed without help. It cannot happen. It is impossible. Just make a 4 sided column out of wire screen, soak a pencil in diesel, light it up, and poke it through the screen to see. The analogy is very close, except of course the screen will melt much quicker than the latticed steel beams.

"Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)
The steel structure of the World Trade Center would not have to melt in order for the buildings to lose their structural integrity. Steel can be soft at 538°C (1,000°F) well below the burning temperature of jet fuel."

http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html

Jet A-1 Jet A
Flash point 38 °C (100 °F)
Autoignition temperature 245 °C (473 °F)[10]
Freezing point −47 °C (−53 °F) −40 °C (−40 °F)
Max adiabatic burn temperature 2,500 K (2,230 °C) (4,040 °F) Open Air Burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F)[11][12][13]
Density at 15 °C (59 °F) 0.804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal) 0.820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)
Specific energy 43.15 MJ/kg 43.02 MJ/kg
Energy density 34.7 MJ/L 35.3 MJ/L

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

Go find another analogy.
That one does not work.

[shazeep]

bull puckeys, it works fine. you might get some localized collapse, ok, but no way are you going to get 120 stories coming down in free fall. That is a joke.