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Old 06-26-2007, 10:49 AM
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Cheney declares himself outside executive branch?????

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1371

"Thursday, June 21, 2007
Administration Oversight
Vice President Exempts His Office from the Requirements for Protecting Classified Information
The Oversight Committee has learned that over the objections of the National Archives, Vice President Cheney exempted his office from the presidential order that establishes government-wide procedures for safeguarding classified national security information. The Vice President asserts that his office is not an “entity within the executive branch.”

As described in a letter from Chairman Waxman to the Vice President, the National Archives protested the Vice President's position in letters written in June 2006 and August 2006. When these letters were ignored, the National Archives wrote to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in January 2007 to seek a resolution of the impasse. The Vice President's staff responded by seeking to abolish the agency within the Archives that is responsible for implementing the President's executive order.

In his letter to the Vice President, Chairman Waxman writes: "I question both the legality and wisdom of your actions. ... [I]t would appear particularly irresponsible to give an office with your history of security breaches an exemption from the safeguards that apply to all other executive branch officials."

A fact sheet prepared by Chairman Waxman describes other instances in which the Vice President's office has sought to avoid oversight and accountability. "

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Please notice the words "The Vice President asserts that his office is not an “entity within the executive branch.” "
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:53 AM
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http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20070621095118.pdf

"Every four years, Congress prints the "Plum Book", listing the names and titles of all federal political appointees. In 2004, the Office of the Vice President, for the first time, refused to provide any information for inclusion in the book."
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:11 AM
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Just a little over a year longer to endure . . .
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:14 AM
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http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20070621094929.pdf

This is a letter sent to the Attorney General's office by the Information Security Oversight Office. Apparently, the Office of the Vice President does not consider itself an agency of the Executive branch, because it has "both legislative and executive functions."

So... what do we call it when the Vice Pres declares his office to be "not part of the executive branch of government"???? Anyone???
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:18 AM
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So... what do we call it when the Vice Pres declares his office to be "not part of the executive branch of government"???? Anyone???
Uhm, business as usual in the Bush Administration?
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:34 PM
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So... what do we call it when the Vice Pres declares his office to be "not part of the executive branch of government"???? Anyone???
Richardtator???



(Dictator)
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:33 PM
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http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20070621094929.pdf

This is a letter sent to the Attorney General's office by the Information Security Oversight Office. Apparently, the Office of the Vice President does not consider itself an agency of the Executive branch, because it has "both legislative and executive functions."

So... what do we call it when the Vice Pres declares his office to be "not part of the executive branch of government"???? Anyone???
The Vice President's office (meaning his staff) does not have legislative functions. Even the Vice President doesn't have any real legislative functions as President of the Senate. Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution states "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." Interestingly, there are no other functions listed in the Constitution for the Vice President.
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:44 PM
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The Vice President's office (meaning his staff) does not have legislative functions. Even the Vice President doesn't have any real legislative functions as President of the Senate. Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution states "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." Interestingly, there are no other functions listed in the Constitution for the Vice President.

That being the case, then it appears the office of the Vice President has no lawful power whatsoever except as a tie-breaker in Senate votes.

Somebody with lots of money needs to launch a federal lawsuit...
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:51 PM
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That being the case, then it appears the office of the Vice President has no lawful power whatsoever except as a tie-breaker in Senate votes.

Somebody with lots of money needs to launch a federal lawsuit...
Basically, he's just there to take over the presidency if the President dies or becomes too incapacitated to perform the duties of the office (though it took the 25th Amendment to solidify that last part).
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:18 AM
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Just a little over a year longer to endure . . .

You cannot vote someone "out of office" if they are not part of the executive branch, now can you?
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