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Old 09-21-2007, 01:47 PM
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Dividing over Oneness

Dividing Over Oneness
The Oneness movement pushed Pentecostals to organize
by Kenneth Gill

Christianity Today International/Christian History magazine.

Preach in Jesus' Name,
teach in Jesus' Name
Heal the sick in his Name;
And always proclaim,
it was Jesus' Name
In which the power came;
Baptize in His name,
enduring the shame,
For there is victory in Jesus' Name.

So went one of the hymns of the Oneness Pentecostals, for whom Jesus was the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Their desire to recapture the mantle of the apostolic church started with questions over the proper formula to use in water baptism. But they were soon questioning even the doctrine of the Trinity.

In April 1913, a Pentecostal-Holiness meeting was held in Arroyo Seco, California. Between 1,500 and 2,000 Pentecostals, mainly pastors, attended the meetings each night, with hundreds more filling the camp on Sundays. It was here that Robert Edward McAlister, a respected Canadian minister, observed that though Jesus had told his disciples to "baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," the New Testament invariably records the apostles baptizing only "in the name of Jesus."

Pentecostal preacher Frank J. Ewart later said, "The gun was fired from that platform which was destined to resound throughout all Christendom."
In fact, by January 1915, the message had spread across the continent. Many of the Pentecostal faithful were rebaptized to follow the ways of the apostolic church. They believed older doctrines, long diseased by generations of unfaithfulness and the inability to heed God's Spirit, were being uncovered by this "new light" of the Holy Spirit.

For most of the new adherents, this was just a different formula for baptism, not a conscious rejection of the Trinity. Eventually, however, while Oneness Pentecostals worshiped God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the terms Trinity and persons were rejected as unbiblical.
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J. Roswell Flower, later secretary of the Assemblies of God (AG), was anxious not only about the apparent denial of orthodox doctrine but also with the potential this "new issue" had for creating division. He urged other leaders to call a meeting of the General Council to prevent it from spreading.

On October 1, 1915, 525 delegates met in St. Louis, ready for a confrontation. The Oneness adherents did not present an aggressive front, so no strong effort was made to censure them. Instead the council proposed a compromise. It specifically denounced the practice of rebaptism as well as a few other Oneness doctrines. But it acknowledged both formulas for baptism as Christian.

The Oneness Pentecostals became increasingly vocal after the council, and within a year, the AG delegates were back in St. Louis. They were to decide once and for all whether the denomination was big enough to accept Oneness adherents.

Since its formation in 1914, the group had rebelled against formal organization. They wanted to reestablish the church of the New Testament, and the New Testament gave no examples of organization beyond local churches. Creeds, "tradition," and power structures had corrupted the church and stifled the Holy Spirit.

So rather than address the doctrinal issues of the Trinity, the Oneness contingent (made up largely of African-Americans) stressed that they did not want to establish a set of doctrinal statements for the AG. In fact, they voted against every proposition that was raised.

Their strategy failed. A "Statement of Fundamental Truths," almost half of which was a repudiation of Oneness beliefs, was accepted as the AG standard. More than a quarter of those attending, 156 members, were forced to leave the AG and form new organizations (the most important of these were the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World and via several future mergers the United Pentecostal Church.) But because of the AG's reaction to the "new issue," the group became solidified as a denomination early in its history.

Many small Oneness groups formed after 1916, though many have remained independent. Today scholars estimate there are between 1.5 and 5 million Oneness Pentecostals worldwide, and they make up only a fraction of one percent of the world's Pentecostals.

Kenneth Gill is acting director of the Billy Graham Center Library in Wheaton, Illinois.

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Anyone agree or disagree w/ Gill's assertions in this article?
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Old 09-21-2007, 02:28 PM
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What choice did they have? Truth is more important than unity. To unify around error is ludicrous.
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Old 09-23-2007, 07:51 AM
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Since its formation in 1914, the group had rebelled against formal organization. They wanted to reestablish the church of the New Testament, and the New Testament gave no examples of organization beyond local churches. Creeds, "tradition," and power structures had corrupted the church and stifled the Holy Spirit.
How quickly they slipped right back into "organization" and "tradition."
Seems people are having to "rebel" all over again, and still being called names because of it.

Seems an example of "those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it."

Very interesting article, thank you for posting it.
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He repeated the historical facts correctly. But "deep waters"?
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He repeated the historical facts correctly. But "deep waters"?
I agree.

Danial, I am going to move this back over to FH. I think it is an excellent topic of discussion, and could become doctrinal, but is more history at present.
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DA - is this just an excerpt of the article? It seems incomplete... Or is it just a factoid and not a regular article?

Maybe it's just me, but while it's straight and to the point, not sure what the point is. It seems rather empty . . . like a factoid.
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The sad thing is here on this board people who claim to be Oneness are divided. When a Trinitarian comes and attacks our doctrine I have seen people who claim to be oneness start attacking other Oneness Pentecostals personally and arguing against Oneness arguments while patting the Trinitarian on the back rather than refuting the Trinitarians arguments.

And I wonder if this is not how it went in the first 4 centuries till the point tongues and a oneness view of the godhead all but disappeared.

If OPs from within and without the UPCI, because this is an OP thing and not a UPCI thing, do not re-unite morally it will always be a second place finisher to the Trinitarian churches. The problem is not that the UPCI has not yet approved TV. The problem is that the only enemy we seem to have in common is each other.
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Dividing Over Oneness
The Oneness movement pushed Pentecostals to organize
by Kenneth Gill

Christianity Today International/Christian History magazine.

Preach in Jesus' Name,
teach in Jesus' Name
Heal the sick in his Name;
And always proclaim,
it was Jesus' Name
In which the power came;
Baptize in His name,
enduring the shame,
For there is victory in Jesus' Name.
This song was written by Bishop Haywood...
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The sad thing is here on this board people who claim to be Oneness are divided. When a Trinitarian comes and attacks our doctrine I have seen people who claim to be oneness start attacking other Oneness Pentecostals personally and arguing against Oneness arguments while patting the Trinitarian on the back rather than refuting the Trinitarians arguments.

And I wonder if this is not how it went in the first 4 centuries till the point tongues and a oneness view of the godhead all but disappeared.

If OPs from within and without the UPCI, because this is an OP thing and not a UPCI thing, do not re-unite morally it will always be a second place finisher to the Trinitarian churches. The problem is not that the UPCI has not yet approved TV. The problem is that the only enemy we seem to have in common is each other.
I agree...
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The sad thing is here on this board people who claim to be Oneness are divided. When a Trinitarian comes and attacks our doctrine I have seen people who claim to be oneness start attacking other Oneness Pentecostals personally and arguing against Oneness arguments while patting the Trinitarian on the back rather than refuting the Trinitarians arguments.

And I wonder if this is not how it went in the first 4 centuries till the point tongues and a oneness view of the godhead all but disappeared.

If OPs from within and without the UPCI, because this is an OP thing and not a UPCI thing, do not re-unite morally it will always be a second place finisher to the Trinitarian churches. The problem is not that the UPCI has not yet approved TV. The problem is that the only enemy we seem to have in common is each other.
I think that I share you sentiments about Oneness theology, however I don't think this board reflects the dynamics of the early church.

Also, I would argue with Gill's assertion that Oneness people "make up only a fraction of one percent of the world's Pentecostals." I don't have any numbers handy right now, but that sounds too low. Talmadge French published some studies several years ago and I seem to remember the numbers being a lot higher.
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