Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by DAII

I find the treatment of the beginning of Paul's treatise of our justification by faith through Christ to be distorted and warped by those who take a few verses in isolation as if he is color coding sins in Romans 1 ... or prioritizing. This would be far from his authorial intent.

To prooftext exclusively as it being a condemnation of homosexual behavior only or primarily .... while its context in the entire chapter and in chapter 2 deals with all sin from lying to dishonoring parents ... INCLUDING SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS ... from thinking that showing kindness to being circumcised makes us right with a holy God ... culminating with the conclusion HOW WE ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD ... is a violation of the treatise's purpose.

In Paul's biblical treatise, not Jefferson's deist one .... he tells us: NONE OF US HAVE RIGHTS BEFORE A HOLY GOD AND HIS LAWS ... not a single one ... (an equality indeed) ....other than death under the law of sin ....

our access to Him is through our justification by faith through Christ ... a major theme of his Roman letter.

As Paul begins to lay out his argument ... he makes a case for what happens to man when he focuses on self ... and submits to the desires of his lusts and ALL UNGODLINESS.

Among those unrighteous things is homosexuality ... indeed ... but also he is just as adamant against those who love their selves over Him .... Showing how the fruit of carnality all men ... not just homosexuals ... leads to God's wrath ... WHILE OFFERING THE HOPE OF SALVATION FROM THESE THINGS IN CHRIST JESUS.



After including those in humanity (men) who have entered into all forms of licentiousness ... including deviant sexual behavior ... he is sure to include other sins the ungodly engage in ...



That's a long list of ungodly sinning ... dontcha think?

In full context he is making a case, the thesis of his treatise per se, for why ALL MEN are sinners and deserve DEATH, imo.

verse 32 boldly states:

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Yet ... He does not stop there with the ungodly ... He continues his thought in Chapter 2 .... (never knowing we'd separate his words into chapters) .... declaring that we can judge others for their sins but that we are guilty of THE SAME THING!!!!!!

In Romans 2:1, he projects a spear into the heart of the moral living man ...
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The ASV says:


Essentially ... Do you think your self-righteousness or morality makes you holier? You're just as guilty, Jason and Daniel, according to Paul ... an equality indeed, my friend.


The fact is God has no favorites !!!!



He then tells the Jews that their circumcision and law obeying still does not make them any better than a Gentile ... see end of Chapter 2.

Then in Chapter 3 more rhetorical questions but finally drives the thought home:

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Paul answers his own question saying ... with words that reverberate in the consciousness of man

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He finally proclaims who makes us ... ALL SINNERS ... just before God ...

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We are made right by JESUS CHRIST.

The wages of sin, DEATH ... but the gift of God ... eternal life.

Dan this proves absolutely NOTHING for your point. In fact I am in agreement with you anylasis of Romans chapters 1-4 (in a nutshell). I am a propenent of justification by faith. I agree that the point of 1:18-3:23 is to prove that the whole world stands guilty before God, whether the immoral pagan (ch.1) the moral (ch.2:1-5), the self-righteous Jew who seeks to be jsutified by the law (remainder of chapter 2) and a wholesale condemnation of all people (chapter 3) which leads into Pauls point on how we can exscape the wrath of God (ref. 1:18) beginning in 3:21.
NEVER at one time did I say homosexuality was the "only" or primary sin of Romans 1. Never did I "ignore" chapter 2, I simply didn't feel like it factors into the discussion. Never did I say that homosexuality is an unforgivible sin (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-11-such were some of YOU-Corinthians).

So what is your point with Romans, or more specifically how do you think I took it out of context?

[Truthseeker]

DADT is just an open door to same sex marriage.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

DADT is just an open door to same sex marriage.

1. DADT was repealed thus it cannot open any door.

2. Same sex marriage is already allowed in various states.

Same-sex marriages are currently granted by five of the 50 states, the federal district, and one Indian tribe:
In Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Washington, D.C., marriages for same-sex couples are legal and currently performed.
The Coquille Indian Tribe in Oregon also grants same-sex marriage.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by DAII

1. DADT was repealed thus it cannot open any door.

2. Same sex marriage is already allowed in various states.

I think we have to be in denial to not think DADT is not the beginning of homosexuals agenda.

I just saw carton with soldiers on a DADT mountain raising a american flag in victory with a same sex marriage mountain next to to be conquered next.

[Truthseeker]

I just wonder if stuff like same sex marriage, online porn, dope etc.....neans greater demonic strongholds in a society?

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I just wonder if stuff like same sex marriage, online porn, dope etc.....neans greater demonic strongholds in a society?

I get the feeling we're not suppose to mix up spiritual and legal things in this thread. *winks*

Guess I'm just old fashioned, un-enlightened, ill-informed, oh and bigoted....but I still say if society would return to honoring God's will and ways we would reap blessing. Turning away from those things reaps the opposite.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by sandie

I get the feeling we're not suppose to mix up spiritual and legal things in this thread. *winks*

Guess I'm just old fashioned, un-enlightened, ill-informed, oh and bigoted....but I still say if society would return to honoring God's will and ways we would reap blessing. Turning away from those things reaps the opposite.

I know all people/societies outside Christ are sinners, but I do think ones that yeild more to vileness would have greater strongholds.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I know all people/societies outside Christ are sinners, but I do think ones that yeild more to vileness would have greater strongholds.

Where do these teachings come from?

Perhaps Christian fiction has played too heavy a role in this area of theology?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I just wonder if stuff like same sex marriage, online porn, dope etc.....neans greater demonic strongholds in a society?

Though evil and powerful he may be, he and his minions get far too much credit.

Liberty without morality leads to debauchery.

No devil necessary.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Though evil and powerful he may be, he and his minions get far too much credit.

Liberty without morality leads to debauchery.

No devil necessary.

Yes sir.