A Relevant Holiness Message

[POWERUP]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Aw, dang it. Seriously? Crud.

If i send you a list of the songs we've done, which would include,

1) Let It Be;
2) Hey Jude;
3) Long and Winding Road;
4) I Wanna Hold Your Hand; (sermon on marriage)
5) All The Same (Sick Puppies)
5) Come Alive (Foo Fighters)
6) Rockstar (Nickelback) (bad words changed)

and lots more...

...would you preach against me? Pretty please?

What about me NOW? Our drama team performed Footloose 2 nights in a row
for Valentines Weekend!!!! We did take out the language.... Im not talking about just the song.... The entire musical!!!!

[MissBrattified]

The point here should be the contradiction. Criticizing one preacher for being "relevant" while allowing a conservative preacher to use "cultural references" the following week.

I wonder how GP would feel if he read this thread and saw that RM's only response was to point out that HE wasn't the one shouting? LOL!!!! Really? What does that mean? That RM wasn't shouting or praising God during the sermon with everyone else? Bottom line, you show support for what comes across your pulpit by default when you allow someone to minister there.



What isn't (or shouldn't be) the point of this video is an intense critique of GP. There are a lot of preachers who are rough around the edges, or even crude, and while it isn't my cup of tea, they are effective in some venues with some people. It's okay with me, in the sense that I think God can and does use people who are imperfect or who lack oratorical skills. What works in one church and one area of the country may not work elsewhere, so posting a *viral video* of something intended for a smaller group of people isn't exactly a fair representation of an event. I thought his whole delivery was comedic, and intended that way. It wasn't tasteful, but it wasn't, well, awful. Except for the reference to Bro. Ewing.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The point here should be the contradiction. Criticizing one preacher for being "relevant" while allowing a conservative preacher to use "cultural references" the following week.

I wonder how GP would feel if he read this thread and saw that RM's only response was to point out that HE wasn't the one shouting? LOL!!!! Really? What does that mean? That RM wasn't shouting or praising God during the sermon with everyone else? Bottom line, you show support for what comes across your pulpit by default when you allow someone to minister there.



What isn't (or shouldn't be) the point of this video is an intense critique of GP. There are a lot of preachers who are rough around the edges, or even crude, and while it isn't my cup of tea, they are effective in some venues with some people. It's okay with me, in the sense that I think God can and does use people who are imperfect or who lack oratorical skills. What works in one church and one area of the country may not work elsewhere, so posting a *viral video* of something intended for a smaller group of people isn't exactly a fair representation of an event. I thought his whole delivery was comedic, and intended that way. It wasn't tasteful, but it wasn't, well, awful. Except for the reference to Bro. Ewing.

To me the point IS the contradiction. I like your post!

Will RM now condemn (from his pulpit) the actions of GP in the same manner he condemned the internet preacher and will he discipline his musicians, pastoral team members, and saints for participating in this use of pagan tools in a worship service?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

To me the point IS the contradiction. I like your post!

Will RM now condemn (from his pulpit) the actions of GP in the same manner he condemned the internet preacher and will he discipline his musicians, pastoral team members, and saints for participating in this use of pagan tools in a worship service?

I'm thinking...Nah.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

To me the point IS the contradiction. I like your post!

Will RM now condemn (from his pulpit) the actions of GP in the same manner he condemned the internet preacher and will he discipline his musicians, pastoral team members, and saints for participating in this use of pagan tools in a worship service?

Herein lies the very real frustrations believers experience within this paradigm ... how does one ever measure up when the rules change from week to week, person to person while inculcating God's ways never change and one is one heartbeat away from eternal condemnation if you miss something on the checklist ....

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by DAII

Herein lies the very real frustrations believers experience within this paradigm ... how does one ever measure up when the rules change from week to week, person to person while inculcating God's ways never change and one is one heartbeat away from eternal condemnation if you miss something on the checklist ....

Right.

I watched the video late last night, but I was so tired, after I typed my post, I never hit "submit" before exiting the internet.

So my thoughts were:

Bro. McKee, really like what you had to say in the clip. IMO it needs to be said.

However, I have great disappointment in the entire GP version of the video. Why you even preached a man like this I don't know. I know that sometimes we develop friendships, and though one guys is seen as radical, or liberal, or conservative, they are preached based more on a personal friendship than actually theology. I realize this is common in pentecostal circles, but what happened at your church is reason that should not be the case.

I think the entire section of the GP vidoe was total trash. That wasn't preaching at all. What a waste of time, and what a shame. All of the racials slurs, insults, etc, doesn't do anything to bring people closer to Christ, nor does it encourage REAL holiness. It is that type of psuedo-authority, psuedo-power which is used to manipulate people to line up. "We should follow the preaching of this man, because He's in tune with the Spirit of God. Why, He even used GP to bring life to the cowboy church (using James Brown, no less)"

I would hope that RM would set this straight with his congregation, and I certainly would not have that preacher back.

My thoughts on the GP version of the video can be summed up in a smilie:

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The point here should be the contradiction. Criticizing one preacher for being "relevant" while allowing a conservative preacher to use "cultural references" the following week.

I wonder how GP would feel if he read this thread and saw that RM's only response was to point out that HE wasn't the one shouting? LOL!!!! Really? What does that mean? That RM wasn't shouting or praising God during the sermon with everyone else? Bottom line, you show support for what comes across your pulpit by default when you allow someone to minister there.



What isn't (or shouldn't be) the point of this video is an intense critique of GP. There are a lot of preachers who are rough around the edges, or even crude, and while it isn't my cup of tea, they are effective in some venues with some people. It's okay with me, in the sense that I think God can and does use people who are imperfect or who lack oratorical skills. What works in one church and one area of the country may not work elsewhere, so posting a *viral video* of something intended for a smaller group of people isn't exactly a fair representation of an event. I thought his whole delivery was comedic, and intended that way. It wasn't tasteful, but it wasn't, well, awful. Except for the reference to Bro. Ewing.

Oh my, I ONE BILLION PERCENT disagree. The things he said were WAY out of bounds and COMPLETELY inexcusable. Disgusting. What he said about Murrell Ewing was sickening and disgraceful. I have never walked out of a church service in my life. Take that back. Once. It was the day I left the UPC. But if I heard anyone say that about Murrell Ewing, a great man who moved hundreds of thousands with his music, I would exit. It's one of the worst things I've ever heard from the pulpit. I don't have enough angry words to express my disgust.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh my, I ONE BILLION PERCENT disagree. The things he said were WAY out of bounds and COMPLETELY inexcusable. Disgusting. What he said about Murrell Ewing was sickening and disgraceful. I have never walked out of a church service in my life. Take that back. Once. It was the day I left the UPC. But if I heard anyone say that about Murrell Ewing, a great man who moved hundreds of thousands with his music, I would exit. It's one of the worst things I've ever heard from the pulpit. I don't have enough angry words to express my disgust.

You make a valid point!!!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh my, I ONE BILLION PERCENT disagree. The things he said were WAY out of bounds and COMPLETELY inexcusable. Disgusting. What he said about Murrell Ewing was sickening and disgraceful. I have never walked out of a church service in my life. Take that back. Once. It was the day I left the UPC. But if I heard anyone say that about Murrell Ewing, a great man who moved hundreds of thousands with his music, I would exit. It's one of the worst things I've ever heard from the pulpit. I don't have enough angry words to express my disgust.

Yes, well, I'm not quite as sensitive as you. I gathered that he disliked ME's singing--not that he disliked ME as a man. It was tasteless, to be sure. *shrug* I've heard sermons like his before, and it isn't my thing, but some people get into the bluntness. To each their own.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yes, well, I'm not quite as sensitive as you. I gathered that he disliked ME's singing--not that he disliked ME as a man. It was tasteless, to be sure. *shrug* I've heard sermons like his before, and it isn't my thing, but some people get into the bluntness. To each their own.

Like Thinker said, it's time for this garbage to be stopped! If he doesn't like Murrell's singing, then don't buy his records. But DO NOT stand up there and mock him!!! That's WAY out of bounds. "By this shall all men know....." and he made a joke of that statement by Jesus.

I have a son who's gone through brain cancer. Devastating and radically altered his and our lives. He's lost SO much and every area of his life is affected. Someone sent me a tape of Jeff Arnold to help me get back to "The truth", and in the middle of it says, "What's wrong with you people, ya got a tumor in ya head?"

Wow.

How do you think that hit us? It has nothing to do with being "sensitive", it just has to do with using even a tiny ounce of wisdom in making a point.

Does this kind of idiocy have ANY chance of truly be effective? Is there ANY biblical example of anyone speaking like this? What complete disrespect for others. Complete arrogance and disregard for anyone besides his own self. I can't stand it. There is no sufficient excuse that can be offered for that kind garbage.