Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or otherwise

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

It doesn't bother me a bit that some pastors ask the men in the church to be clean shaven (mine included). But i can say that if i was going to a church and the pastor didnt know the Word any better than that...i don't believe i would go back either.

Do you think there is any sensical reason to "ask" it at all though, aside from personal preference?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Do you think there is any sensical reason to "ask" it at all though, aside from personal preference?

Yes. I believe at one time it was a very applicable standard. It has probably lost its value but for the sake of respecting the elders, i do not see it as an unreasonable request at all. I attend some of the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and i have never heard it preached as a heaven or hell issue. And i know for certain my pastor does not see it as one either.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Yes. I believe at one time it was a very applicable standard. It has probably lost its value but for the sake of respecting the elders, i do not see it as an unreasonable request at all. I attend some of the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and i have never heard it preached as a heaven or hell issue. And i know for certain my pastor does not see it as one either.

Why do you believe that? It has never been a Bible Standard. It is absolutely an unreasonable demand and pressure put on men to submit to balance out the hair standard for the women. I too attended the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and absolutely heard it preached as a heaven and hell - disobeying the pastor and his authority.
I head NAU say many times from the pulpit, "THE HOMOSEXUAL WEARS THE BEARD!" He lied when he said it and he knew it was nothing less than a control issue. He did it to intimidate the men and bully them and I heard and saw him and others do it many times.
JEZEBEL IS STILL IN THE CHURCH - Manipulating, controlling, bullying just like she always had - but she is called a Superintendent, Presbyter, Pastor, Evangelist or whatever these days. SAD!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Yes. I believe at one time it was a very applicable standard. It has probably lost its value but for the sake of respecting the elders, i do not see it as an unreasonable request at all. I attend some of the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and i have never heard it preached as a heaven or hell issue. And i know for certain my pastor does not see it as one either.

Can we at least admit this position (that of your pastor I assume) is very complicated?

Assuming it was a good reaction to the hippie movement (I don't accept that BTW), how fast should the church be in responding to the cultural fads? Are we not a bit slow on this one? Did it take them 25 yrs to start preaching against beards and moustaches in 1960?

Not a heaven/hell issue? I agree, and would not consider shaving/not shaving because of pastoral whims. Neither would I accept instruction on circumcision/or not, nor the eating of meats and keeping of Holy Days...

It's time we asked some serious questions. Have we offended without cause those who wear facial hair? If so, we need to repent corporately and our leadership needs to grow facial hair as a sign of humility and sincere repentance.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

It doesn't bother me a bit that some pastors ask the men in the church to be clean shaven (mine included). But i can say that if i was going to a church and the pastor didnt know the Word any better than that...i don't believe i would go back either.

It bothers me that any man would try to force members to do things they don't have to do...some people have control issues...Napoleon complex..the little god complex

[Paws4It]

Ecc 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all [is] vanity.

This is why this scripture is so valuable to us all;

Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Paws4It

Ecc 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all [is] vanity.

This is why this scripture is so valuable to us all;

Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

So valuable because it can be twisted to support any false doctrine?

[Paws4It]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So valuable because it can be twisted to support any false doctrine?

So valuable because it won't be you standing in my place on judgement day. I better be sure I live what I believe, as we all should.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Paws4It

So valuable because it won't be you standing in my place on judgement day. I better be sure I live what I believe, as we all should.

So what does that verse mean to you in the context of THIS discussion? how is it valuable?

[Jay]

Uh, forgive me if I find the topic to be slightly inappropriate.

I believe that a lady may cut and/or shave everything but her hair on her head and her eyebrows.

I will never forget being slightly terrorized of an older ladies mustache (not that there was actually that much there, but still).