Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

[Austin]

If water has regenerative power for the cleansing of sin before the Holy Ghost can enter, ( And all of you know the Holy Ghost cannot enter an unclean vessel) then in the case of the 10th chapter of Acts there is a controversial issue concerning the administration of the Spirit to Cornelius.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Austin

If water has regenerative power for the cleansing of sin before the Holy Ghost can enter, ( And all of you know the Holy Ghost cannot enter an unclean vessel) then in the case of the 10th chapter of Acts there is a controversial issue concerning the administration of the Spirit to Cornelius.

Thats why Peter said what he did in 1 Peter 3,

baptism is not washing the filth of the flesh, its the answer of a good conscience toward God

Paul taught when we died we are put into Christ's death. Baptism deals with the remission of sins, not the remission of your sins

Baptism deals with the sin nature, repentance deals with sins themselves.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Thats why Peter said what he did in 1 Peter 3,

baptism is not washing the filth of the flesh, its the answer of a good conscience toward God

Paul taught when we died we are put into Christ's death. Baptism deals with the remission of sins, not the remission of your sins

Baptism deals with the sin nature, repentance deals with sins themselves.

What does the Spirit do with sin nature? What role does Spirit get?

Sorry, OT, it just sounds so convoluted to me. It's an answer of good conscience toward God and also remission of sins (but not our own because repentance does that part of the saving)?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

What does the Spirit do with sin nature? What role does Spirit get?

Sorry, OT, it just sounds so convoluted to me. It's an answer of good conscience toward God and also remission of sins (but not our own because repentance does that part of the saving)?

Romans 8:11 shows me what the Spirit does.

Think for a moment. We were born into a sin nature. Sin nature doesn't condemn us but the sin does. So in repentance the blood of Jesus forgives us of our sin. But we still are dominated by our sin nature. That is why Paul said, what shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized, were baptized into his death? Paul teaches us that conversion doesn't just deal with our sins, but baptism also deals with the sin nature (that the old man may be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin)

Do you follow me so far?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Romans 8:11 shows me what the Spirit does.

Think for a moment. We were born into a sin nature. Sin nature doesn't condemn us but the sin does. So in repentance the blood of Jesus forgives us of our sin. But we still are dominated by our sin nature. That is why Paul said, what shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized, were baptized into his death? Paul teaches us that conversion doesn't just deal with our sins, but baptism also deals with the sin nature (that the old man may be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin)

Do you follow me so far?

Romans 8:11 So the Spirit is just so one day I can be resurrected? That's it? I think Pentecostal pneumatology is a little more robust than that

So if I no longer have a sin nature, it's completely gone away with because of baptism (I think you are stretching Paul's point that we should "be who we are"), then why do I still sin?

[Socialite]

So it's share the Gospel or perish?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

So it's share the Gospel or perish?

Share in the gospel or perish.


However some believe if you don't reach out to win souls, you are lost because you are guilty of hiding your light, etc. I don't believe that but it could lead to that. We should not be ashamed of Jesus.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Share in the gospel or perish.


However some believe if you don't reach out to win souls, you are lost because you are guilty of hiding your light, etc. I don't believe that but it could lead to that. We should not be ashamed of Jesus.

How do I share in the gospel?

To your latter point, that's definitely our mission. Once again, it's the ol' gun to the head, not trusting in what Christ has done for us and instead of gracious living that implicates others around us, it's go door knocking or perish.

And these "Soul Winners Inc" guys have a very narrow definition of "winning souls" (a Proverb which had more to do with winning friends by the way).

I'll stick with Jesus' admonishment to "Go make disciples."

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

How do I share in the gospel?

To your latter point, that's definitely our mission. Once again, it's the ol' gun to the head, not trusting in what Christ has done for us and instead of gracious living that implicates others around us, it's go door knocking or perish.

And these "Soul Winners Inc" guys have a very narrow definition of "winning souls" (a Proverb which had more to do with winning friends by the way).
I'll stick with Jesus' admonishment to "Go make disciples."

Like who? Tim Downs?

www.gowinsouls.com

or www.answeredhere.com

Or Denver Stanford

www.lifestyleevangelism.com

These two represent two different styles.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

How do I share in the gospel?

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You experience the change that the gospel brings.