My First Gay Thread

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Does anyone here know someone who believes they have been "delivered" by the power of God from lifelong homosexuality? Not speaking of someone who got experimental then repented, but a former hardcore who now is not gay?

Last I heard, there aren't any verifiable cases apart from those speaking "by faith" and of course "behaving themselves".....thus far.

Sincerely asking the above, but of course I'm coming from a position (who isn't.) In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)

People are not born gah. People are born sinners with a sin nature, including gahs

Most gahs I have known also had experienced opposite sex attractions. I think with their same sex attractions and how we treat it in our socieity can confuse some people. There are a lot of pyschological factors involved

[jaxfam6]

Honestly if you really believe that

"In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)"

Then how can you say that it is not compatible with the Bible? Do you believe God would allow someone to be born a homosexual if homosexuality is a sin? We are all born sinners, we either make a choice to stay a sinner or to shun sin and take on the new birth with Christ Jesus.

If God is allowing people to born homosexual then he would have allow them to practice homosexuality as a lifestyle.

Yes I know Children are born alcoholics and drug addicts but that is a chemical being put into them by the parent before birth and can be fixed. Homosexuality is NOT a chemical dependency problem or a medical condition that can be fixed.

anyone else think the same thing???

[Truthseeker]

Yeah, I even read an article saying a gene for violence. Even one for alcoholism. What's next a gene for debt??

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Yeah, I even read an article saying a gene for violence. Even one for alcoholism. What's next a gene for debt??

Maybe my addiction to chocolate can be blamed on my genes?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Sam

Maybe my addiction to chocolate can be blamed on my genes?

no...but your size in jeans can be blamed on your addiction! lol

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Yeah, I even read an article saying a gene for violence. Even one for alcoholism. What's next a gene for debt??

And a gene for joblessness.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

And a gene for joblessness.

Ya, that does seem to run in the family. I've known multiple generations who never worked -they all seemed to have "back problems" and collected their unemployment/welfare checks monthly.

They all seemed to have the big 6-8 foot satellite dishes in their front yard as well.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ya, that does seem to run in the family. I've known multiple generations who never worked -they all seemed to have "back problems" and collected their unemployment/welfare checks monthly.

They all seemed to have the big 6-8 foot satellite dishes in their front yard as well.

That gene seemed so very prevelant in South Carolina in the years I was living there. 6-8 foot satelite dishes and all, and atleast three cars outside of their trailers, two of them usually in horrible shape with cinder blocks where the wheels used to be.

Personally, I can't do it. I have to work to feel like a man. Guess I have a workers gene.

[llambert]

Hello everyone:

I don't post here much, but this caught my attention.

This link gives info on people who were once homosexual and have had total freedom:

http://www.lifeministry.org/- The woman who is the CEO of the ministry was in lesbianism for 10 years (her lesbian lover broke her heart). Just about all of their staff were also at one point homosexual (one leader was a pastor while having a male lover who broke up with him in the same week that he tested positive for HIV). I have met these people and believe that they are totally heterosexual now. This ministry started in NYC and has gone international with works in London, Colorado Springs, Latin, Central and South America

I have not met anyone from this next ministry, but I get the sense that there are testimonies of total deliverance to be found here as well:

http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/founder.html

Again, I don't know for certain, but I suspect that there may be testimonies of total deliverance from homosexuality in the mormon religion and in Islam as well.

This book

http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Aesthetic-Re...rback-/2774099also documents a secular movement that cured people from homosexuality

There is also a college student movement called Passion for Christ that has people giving their testimonies (although I don't know if any of these people are totally free or if they still deal with unwanted same sex attractions):

http://p4cm.com/p4cmwp/

Also, here is a good resource book from a pastor who is (I think) connected to COGIC, for ministry to the gay and lesbian community:

http://www.amazon.com/Ministering-Gr.../dp/076842268X

Finally, aren't there some people who post on here who were once attracted to the same sex and are now completely heterosexual? I seem to remember reading someone writing about this awhile back. There are probably people like this in our churches, but they may not feel led to share their testimonies publically. If you pray and ask around, God will lead you to these people who are right there in the church.

Homosexuality is a very heated issue and any discussion of it can bring up a lot of pain on all sides. It seems to me that if we're going to discuss it, we should refrain from sarcasm, assumption, coarse joking, accusation/blame and really listen to what each other is saying. To me if we can't yet have that kind of gracious and mature discussion on the topic, we should refrain from posting and just pray and ask God to guide us in how to listen and speak.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ya, that does seem to run in the family. I've known multiple generations who never worked -they all seemed to have "back problems" and collected their unemployment/welfare checks monthly.

They all seemed to have the big 6-8 foot satellite dishes in their front yard as well.

That's pretty much a way of life now:

http://images.alphacoders.com/844/8449.jpg

Warning, there's a guy named Randy with his shirt off in that pic. Otherwise, it's ok.

The guy with the thick glasses standing in the middle is Bubbles, I think he might be just a 1-stepper, but I'm not sure.