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Old 02-06-2012, 08:07 PM
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

Take into account,that the Hebrew calendar is different from the Gregorian calendar,and the world is in different time zones.
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:16 PM
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In the NT. where do we find any day set aside for worship,I thought we are to worship The Lord everyday ? Yes the apostles had the OT.,but aren't we to be founded upon the Apostles's doctrine ?
Dude, we see people gathered and the Gospel preached on the Sabbath... and daily in homes. Corporate gatherings were on the Sabbath. One chapter records an entire city gathered to hear the Gospel on the Sabbath. Lol

Can you find such gatherings on Sunday ANYWHERE in the NT?
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

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Can you find such gatherings on Sunday ANYWHERE in the NT?
No, it's pretty obvious that the Church morphed in the intervening years to Constantine, who "changed" the day officially. But I still believe that we are directed that it not become a wall. Personally I'm pretty sure there's a story there, at Constantine, about some early church split into Romanism and whatever else...the beginning of schisms. This might end up being the story here, as I believe we're about schismed out, and now beginning to come back together.

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Dude, we see people gathered and the Gospel preached on the Sabbath... and daily in homes. Corporate gatherings were on the Sabbath. One chapter records an entire city gathered to hear the Gospel on the Sabbath. Lol

Can you find such gatherings on Sunday ANYWHERE in the NT?
Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:2 On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside some income and save it to the extent that God has blessed you, so that a collection will not have to be made when I come.

This is what was referred to as the Lord's Day...the day of His resurrection

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
Paul used the Sabbath to go to the Jews and preach the gospel to them (evangelize)
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Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
Again, as I explained to Michael. Their day started at sunset. If they gathered on the first day of the week and Paul preached until midnight of the first day of the week... they met Saturday night after sunset! Duh! lol

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1Co 16:2 On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside some income and save it to the extent that God has blessed you, so that a collection will not have to be made when I come.
Here Paul simply told them to begin laying in store for the offering on the first day of the week. It would be logical that if they met on Saturday to begin saving for the offering beginning on the next day, the first day of the week. This says nothing about having church on the first day of the week.

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This is what was referred to as the Lord's Day...the day of His resurrection

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
Paul used the Sabbath to go to the Jews and preach the gospel to them (evangelize)
I'll challenge you on this one. Can you find a single reference for the first day of the week being named, "the Lord's day" in Scripture??? No. John received his vision on the "Lord's day".... the only day Scripture has ever named the Lord's day... the Sabbath.

Prove me wrong. lol
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Take into account...
Ya, and the world has changed since then; we don't work the same way. Still, there is that pesky ol' Commandment. Lol.
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No one has considered these thoughts...

Matthew 5:17-19 ESV
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Law of God hasn't been abolished...only the Law of Moses. Concerning the Sabbath, the Law of God states:

Exodus 20:8-11 ESV
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

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The Law of God hasn't been abolished...only the Law of Moses. Concerning the Sabbath, the Law of God states:

Exodus 20:8-11 ESV
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The disciples of Jesus went thru the fields picking corn on the Sabbath.
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No one has considered these thoughts

The Law of God hasn't been abolished...only the Law of Moses. Concerning the Sabbath, the Law of God states:

Exodus 20:8-11 ESV
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
So if one needs to work on the Sabbath to provide for his meals he is not in conflict with the above Scripture?
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No one has considered these thoughts...

Matthew 5:17-19 ESV
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Law of God hasn't been abolished...only the Law of Moses. Concerning the Sabbath, the Law of God states:

Exodus 20:8-11 ESV
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The purpose of the Law

Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
Are you under a guardian?

Gal 4:1 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything,
Gal 4:2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father.
Gal 4:3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Gal 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"
Gal 4:7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
Gal 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods.
Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!
Gal 4:11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
A Son or a Slave?

Gal 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman.
Gal 4:23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise.
Gal 4:24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.
Gal 4:25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband."
Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman."
Gal 4:31 So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Arabia or Mt Sinai? Which covenant?

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
Heb 8:8 For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Heb 8:9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more."
Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Exo 16:29 See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."

Unlike the moral codes, the sabbath was given to them as a day of rest but it was for a sign between God and them, a covenant sign
  • Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
    Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
    Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
It was a covenant sign...that covenantg has been done away with.
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