Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Ha, I have no idea where that came from. My userpage will answer everything but "single," lol.

See, I am not even half way computer smart, LOL! I guess I didn't think about 'user page' because I would never think to look

Off to see... I guess: you are male, middle aged, tall...

or... a teen girl

[Jay]

I do not celebrate the pagan side of Easter. I know that the date is not exact, however any time that Passover and Easter occur within the same seven day time frame (with Easter following Passover) then it is in the right place at the right time. I have often felt that it would be best if every year we celebrated Eater the Sunday after Passover.

[mfblume]

Aquila, Law of Moses and Law of God are synonymous in the New Testament, except in 1 Cor 9 where in Parentheses Paul says he is not without law though He said He does not live under the Law for them who are not under law.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Jay

I do not celebrate the pagan side of Easter. I know that the date is not exact, however any time that Passover and Easter occur within the same seven day time frame (with Easter following Passover) then it is in the right place at the right time. I have often felt that it would be best if every year we celebrated Eater the Sunday after Passover.

And I am content to not celebrate but rather aim for a time of quiet reflection on the cross, the tomb, and ultimately the Resurrection! I find it to be the most sacred and joyful time of all for a Christian. He has done so much for me that I can never, ever repay.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Aquila, Law of Moses and Law of God are synonymous in the New Testament, except in 1 Cor 9 where in Parentheses Paul says he is not without law though He said He does not live under the Law for them who are not under law.

We who are saved are saved by grace through faith. We are justified by faith in Christ apart from the Law. We agree this far. However, we are called to "holiness". We are to sanctify ourselves from all sin. John clearly explains that sin is "transgression of the law". What "law"? According to you, the moral Law of God and the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and is no longer binding. So what "law" can be transgressed against if this is so? There has to be an eternal, set, and clear moral law whereby sinners and saints alike are judged. Your argument is typical of Antinomian OSAS believers who believe there are no laws for believers to obey, therefore they can do anything and live in any manner arguing no law stands against them. Please define how sin is transgression of the law if no law applies to us.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We who are saved are saved by grace through faith. We are justified by faith in Christ apart from the Law. We agree this far. However, we are called to "holiness". We are to sanctify ourselves from all sin. John clearly explains that sin is "transgression of the law". What "law"? According to you, the moral Law of God and the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and is no longer binding.

The bible does not make a distinction between moral law and Law of Moses. Law is Law, whether it is of Moses or modern denominations. Law is the efforts of human beings through actions to obtain Life. The issue is good or evil under ANY law. Paul took Laws from the Old Covenant, but we can take ANY LAW that is intended to encourage effort on our behalf to obtain Life from God.

While Law is good or evil, whether it is from Moses' hand or not, the real issue is Life or Death. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil basically is a source for learning what is good and what is bad in order for us to use human will power to do the good and avoid the bad.

So, Law in any form or manner is knowledge of good and evil. And if we eat of that tree we die.

Grace is LIFE.

So what "law" can be transgressed against if this is so? There has to be an eternal, set, and clear moral law whereby sinners and saints alike are judged. Your argument is typical of Antinomian OSAS believers who believe there are no laws for believers to obey, therefore they can do anything and live in any manner arguing no law stands against them. Please define how sin is transgression of the law if no law applies to us.

Your response here is typical of a taste of legalism.

The all important truth is that law is human effort making oneself progress or improve oneself before God. ANY Law urges that. Grace is divine empowerment. Grace is where we walk after the Spirit and we realize we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh as a result! The very thing law tried to produce in us is produced without reliance on codebook obedience of LAW (of any kind), but rather by yielding to the power of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Aquila, Law of Moses and Law of God are synonymous in the New Testament, except in 1 Cor 9 where in Parentheses Paul says he is not without law though He said He does not live under the Law for them who are not under law.

You never answered my questions. They are easily answered if you recall that the Law of God was placed inside the ark under the mercy seat...and the Law of Moses was place in the side of the ark. The Law of God was written by God Himself on tables of stone, signifying their enduring nature. The Law of Moses was written by Moses on parchment, signifying their temporary nature. Notice...they were SEPARATED. Notice they are DISTINCT. The Law of Moses was for the nation of Israel, the moral Law of God is for all mankind, defining sin, until the end of the age.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You never answered my questions. They are easily answered if you recall that the Law of God was placed inside the ark under the mercy seat...and the Law of Moses was place in the side of the ark. The Law of God was written by God Himself on tables of stone, signifying their enduring nature. The Law of Moses was written by Moses on parchment, signifying their temporary nature. Notice...they were SEPARATED. Notice they are DISTINCT. The Law of Moses was for the nation of Israel, the moral Law of God is for all mankind, defining sin, until the end of the age.

I am stepping back further and showing the overall issue of the two trees seen between Grace and Law. It is LAW -- any Law -- that is self urging self to avoid the evil and do the good. It is the difference between one finding oneself doing the will of God without having resorted to a codebook to do it, because one's nature has been changed. THAT is actually what it means to have the law written in our hearts. It is the nature being changed.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The bible does not make a distinction between moral law and Law of Moses. Law is Law, whether it is of Moses or modern denominations. Law is the efforts of human beings through actions to obtain Life. The issue is good or evil under ANY law. Paul took Laws from the Old Covenant, but we can take ANY LAW that is intended to encourage effort on our behalf to obtain Life from God.

While Law is good or evil, whether it is from Moses' hand or not, the real issue is Life or Death. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil basically is a source for learning what is good and what is bad in order for us to use human will power to do the good and avoid the bad.

So, Law in any form or manner is knowledge of good and evil. And if we eat of that tree we die.

Grace is LIFE.

Your response here is typical of a taste of legalism.

The all important truth is that law is human effort making oneself progress or improve oneself before God. ANY Law urges that. Grace is divine empowerment. Grace is where we walk after the Spirit and we realize we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh as a result! The very thing law tried to produce in us is produced without reliance on codebook obedience of LAW (of any kind), but rather by yielding to the power of God.

You're avoiding the questions.

[Aquila]

Reverend Blume,

I'll illustrate my point...

Can a married couple be "Christian swingers"?

If so, why?
If not, why not?