Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Reverend Blume,

I'll illustrate my point...

Can a married couple be "Christian swingers"?

If so, why?
If not, why not?

You are consistently missing the forest for the trees.

Obedience-demanding laws that are carried out through human will power making oneself do good and avoid evil are correct in what they say are good and evil. LAW shows what sin is.

But law keeping is not the answer for those things.

The common response to what I am saying is exactly what Paul faced, and what caused him to repeatedly write hypothetical questions to his words with answers showing how the people easily miss this truth.

Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? GOD FORBID!

I am saying the GOOD that Law tried, but failed, to cause man to do, and the evil which law tried, but failed, to get man to avoid are things GRACE empowers us to not do. Grace agrees with law.

What do you think Paul meant when he said Grace establishes the Law -- while having said Law was weak through the flesh to accomplish its ends?

But we are empowered to do good and not do evil ASIDE FROM resorting to rule books to obey. It is simply a reliance on the Spirit to empower us to do good. Relying on codebooks is walking after the flesh to serve God. Reliance on the Spirit to empower us to do His will, without resorting to rulebooks, is walking after the Spirit to serve God.

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Law is like the MIRROR that shows you the dirt on your face.

Grace agrees with Law and is the water and soap and facecloth to remove the dirt that Law showed you was there. Therefore, sin is transgression of the law. But the answer is not having Law and that's it. Grace comes in and deals with the dirt by divine empowerment that Law never had. The law is perfect and correct. But it is weak to accomplish its ends because of our flesh that houses sin.

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Aquila, I appreciate your diligence to be thorough over an issue, but it's like you read a book and copied and pasted the information that allegedly shows Law of God and Law of Moses are two different things, when reading The Old Testament they are shown to be one and the same thing.

Forget pigeonholes for "who" believes "what" label of a belief. We need to check the Bible and see what it says. Period.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am stepping back further and showing the overall issue of the two trees seen between Grace and Law. It is LAW -- any Law -- that is self urging self to avoid the evil and do the good. It is the difference between one finding oneself doing the will of God without having resorted to a codebook to do it, because one's nature has been changed. THAT is actually what it means to have the law written in our hearts. It is the nature being changed.

So we have no "law" written upon our hearts. Hmmmm

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So we have no "law" written upon our hearts. Hmmmm

Yes we do, but not in the way you propose whatsoever. Law written in our hearts CAUSES us to do good by changing our natures.

Picture it as GOD CHANGING YOUR DESIRES and you will see what it means for Him to write his laws in our hearts.

[Aquila]

Rev. Blume, no one is talking about being justified or saved by the Law. We are talking about sanctification and transgression.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Rev. Blume, no one is talking about being justified or saved by the Law. We are talking about sanctification and transgression.

and you accused someone of teaching others to break the commandments.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Aquila, I appreciate your diligence to be thorough over an issue, but it's like you read a book and copied and pasted the information that allegedly shows Law of God and Law of Moses are two different things, when reading The Old Testament they are shown to be one and the same thing.

Forget pigeonholes for "who" believes "what" label of a belief. We need to check the Bible and see what it says. Period.

I'm talking about the Spirit's urging to obey God's Law and to abstain from sin.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm talking about the Spirit's urging to obey God's Law and to abstain from sin.

The Spirit within causes us to do that without having us resort to a written law, though. That is Romans 6:13. That is having it written in our hearts. It's David's answered prayer for the Lord to CAUSE US to walk in his statutes. What the Spirit causes us to do without us having to resort to written law is what the written law urged! But we discover we do it without having known it may have been in law. This is how walking after the Spirit causes us to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The Spirit within causes us to do that without having us resort to a written law, though. That is Romans 6:13. That is having it written in our hearts. It's David's answered prayer for the Lord to CAUSE US to walk in his statutes. What the Spirit causes us to do without us having to resort to written law is what the written law urged! But we discover we do it without having known it may have been in law. This is how walking after the Spirit causes us to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

The scripture clearly tells us that he that loves God keeps his commandments 1 John 5:3, but if the Ten commandments be done away with, then what commandments are we to keep? should we then allow each denomination or pastor to create their own commandments?

The Ten Commandments are our guide and if we love God then we will keep his Ten Commandments 1 John 2:3

If we substract one of the commandments from the Law of God, then they are not longer 10 commandments but 9. The Sabbath is in the middle of the Ten commanmdents so it can not be separated from the other commandments. The Ten Coommandments is a package deal, they came bundled in two tables of stone and put inside the ark together.

The only commandments that God has directly given to us is the Ten commandments, for they were written by the finger of God, the rest of the law was not written by God himself, but was written by Moses.

If we love God then we will surely keep his Ten Commandments and that means keeping the Sabbath too.

Jesus did not came to destroy the law of God but to fulfill it. Since Jesus and the Apostles reconfirmed the Ten Commandments then it is obvious that they still stand.

Everywhere we see the Ten Commandments, they are separated from all the Jewish laws and rituals, you never see the Ten Commandments surrounded with all the extra Laws, so it is quite clear from standard practice that The Ten Commandments are seen as a complete set, which is apart from the Law of Moses.