Rejoicing In the Sabbath: - Page 8

Titus2woman · #1 02-06-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

What do non-Sabbath keepers get out of honoring a day admittedly instituted for worship exclusively by Roman Catholic authority without biblical precedent?

I find the argument of most Sunday worshipers disingenuous in that:

A. They try to assert that those who honor the Sabbath do not avail themselves of rest in Him daily. Or do not worship God every day.

B. They claim that they do not esteem Sunday above other days. I have found though the years in Catholic, Baptist, and Pentecostal churches that this is simply not true. The Christian church in the bible belt fought for years to maintain 'Blue Laws' to prevent shopping on Sunday. The reason? It was considered the Christian Sabbath. It is considered as a 'holy day' by most of ministry and laity alike across denominations.

There is a day that is set apart for the Lord. For rest from the daily cares of work, the very thing that tends to take our focus off of God. That day is Sabbath. Perhaps with our abundance of leisure time we can no longer see the benefits of Sabbath but anyone who asserts that life does not get in the way of fully devoting our minds and hearts to Him is not being completely honest.

While even Sabbath can not wipe away all cares, it can weekly remind us that God made time for us and we needs make time for Him. It has given me an opportunity to really examine what gets in the way of my prayer time and my private devotions. It allows me time in my prayer closet that rushing off to do the next required thing does not. Sabbath allows me to be still and know that He is God.

TGBTG · #2 02-06-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Law of Moses. Not a jot or tittle shall pass from the Law of God until all is fulfilled.

What you call the Law of Moses was INSTITUTED by God. Circumcision was instituted by God. Isn't that also the law of Moses? Why don't you also preach circumcision?

And yes, the Law did not pass until ALL of the Law was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the Law.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Since you're dividing the Law of Moses from the Law of God, what Law is Paul talking about in Rom 8:4? are we required to fulfill the righteousness of the Law of Moses or the righteousness of the Law of God?

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Sabbath keepers worship God every day, resting from the Law of Moses in Christ, yet also honor the Law of God regarding His gift of the Sabbath.

Yes. We obey the Fourth Commandment in our freedom, a law written on our hearts. If we love Him, we rejoice in obeying Him. And this we do.

My question was what exactly do you DO (or not DO) on that day? If you worship God everyday, what exactly makes the sabbath different?

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Originally Posted by Aquila

What do non-Sabbath keepers get out of honoring a day admittedly instituted for worship exclusively by Roman Catholic authority without biblical precedent?

Ha...(can't speak for others), but I don't honor the day called Sunday. To me I regard everyday alike. I live to worship Jesus sunday through saturday. This is why I ask what exactly do you different on your sabbath day?

The Israelites had specific instruction on what to do and what not to do on the sabbath. How exactly do you obey God on the sabbath day? Is it just by saying "hey, today is the sabbath"

TGBTG · #3 02-06-2012, 10:14 PM

Exodus 20
1And God spake all these words, saying,

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13Thou shalt not kill.

14Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15Thou shalt not steal.

16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

18And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

22And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.

24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

25And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

26Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

Aquila, I'm curious as to why you stop at verse 8 and don't go on to carry out verse 24.

Aquila · #4 02-06-2012, 06:41 PM

If one didn't know church tradition and had to choose a day to worship strictly based on the Bible, it would be the Sabbath. Sunday wouldn't even be on the table.

Scott Hutchinson · #5 02-06-2012, 06:57 PM

My question would be where in the NT. do we have the Apostles teaching the sabbath as binding for New Covenant believers ?

houston · #6 02-06-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

My question would be where in the NT. do we have the Apostles teaching the sabbath as binding for New Covenant believers ?

It's not there.

KeptByTheWord · #7 02-06-2012, 07:00 PM

I am just getting to this discussion late, have been quite busy last few days. Read through all the posts, and didn't see this scripture mentioned. It is one that I have pondered lately and not sure of all the implications. For several years, we have tossed the idea back and forth on the Sabbath, and the 4th commandment, why it seems to be the only one not truly observed. However, I would like thoughts on this scripture in Isaiah and how it could apply to our discussion here about the Sabbath. Part of the chapter is quoted, but the highlighed part is my concern...

Isaiah 66:14 And when ye see [this], your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and [his] indignation toward his enemies.

15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

18 For I [know] their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, [to] Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, [to] Tubal, and Javan, [to] the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

20 And they shall bring all your brethren [for] an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.

21 And I will also take of them for priests [and] for Levites, saith the LORD.

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

This scripture worries me concerning the Sabbath, and concerning swine's flesh. If you go back a couple of chapters in Isaiah, he mentions the people were sacrificing in the gardens, burning insence on altars of brick, remaining among graves, eating swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things. These people said in Isaiah 65 "I am holier than thou" to others. And God said " You are a smoke in my nose" etc. He hated the fact that they were transgressing, and then in Isaiah 65:9 God said he was going to bring out a seed of Jacob, his elect and inheritance, and God further said that the elect, his servants who were called out of the seed of Jacob will eat, drink and rejoice, and that he is creating a new heaven and a new earth, and God talks of how wonderful the new earth is going to be at the end of chapter 65. Then it says in Isaiah 66 how the Lord will plead with all flesh, and the slain of the Lord shall be many. Who shall be slain?

Isaiah 66:17 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

This is the part that worries me, because of the eating of swine's flesh??? I thought the Law of Moses was abolished, and the 10 commandments still stand. How does this go along with this verse?

Then in Isaiah 66:23it says... And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Are we to ignore these ominous words? Or heed them?

I am a fence sitter right now on the Sabbath, and have enjoyed the discussion here. Any other thoughts on this verse?

bbyrd009 · #8 02-06-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

...And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Or in other words, "You are going to be observing the Sabbath," is what I'm getting here.

KeptByTheWord · #9 02-06-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Or in other words, "You are going to be observing the Sabbath," is what I'm getting here.

That's what I kind of get from this verse. To me, it seems that it angers the Lord also about some of the other stuff they were doing, and they were killed by the sword of the Lord for eating "mouse" ... anyone know what that could mean? I don't know if it is literally mouse or something else?

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

bbyrd009 · #10 02-06-2012, 07:05 PM

The Sabbath has become a day of complete rest for me, and is contrasted with every other day being a "work day," or a day when I am consciously "getting out there." So Friday night is like a party at home, and Saturday morning no alarm, and sleep in late on purpose and pancakes. At noon. I do whatever I want that agrees with rest. For me, it kinda severed a tie to "of the world."

If someone has found rest you can pretty much just tell, though, and I've known rest with plenty who didn't observe Saturday. You guys shouldn't go trying to prove that one way is right here, imo.