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05-15-2007, 03:28 PM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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What is a "Christian"???
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Originally Posted by NLYP
This is indeed sad news...he (JF) was a great man and solid Christian leader
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What is the definition of being a "Christian"???
- Is it defined as just acting "like Christ"??? (as the early church was originally called)
- Is it defined as obedience to Christ's Word??? (particularily in the context of New Birth message/Christian living)
- Is it both or neither???
~ If "acting like Christ" is the only criteria for being a "Christian" then there are many good "Christian" people who will still be lost for not obeying the New Birth message and/or living according to the Word....
~ If obeying "Christ and His Word" is the criteria for being a "Christian" then there are many people that should not be labeled with the "Christian" title due to their lack of obedience to God's Word.
It can't be both ways.... either a) there are many "Christians" who will die lost or b) there will be many good "moral" people who aren't truly Christians....
Could JF, or anyone else for that matter, be called a "Christian" if it was known that he did not obey the Acts 2.38 message and/or live according to the principles of Christian living as laid out in the scriptures???
Maybe today's culture casual usage of the term "Christian" is one of the many sources of confusion in the religious world....
just food for thought....
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"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
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05-15-2007, 03:31 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Depends on context of course.
In it's most narrow sense it is someone that agrees with me 100% (that excludes my wife)
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-15-2007, 03:31 PM
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Malvaro has a monopoly on the word.
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05-15-2007, 03:34 PM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Malvaro has a monopoly on the word.
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care to clarify your statement?
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
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05-15-2007, 03:34 PM
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I'm suprised the Mormons and JW's are not considered christians... the way some of you define it so loosely!!
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05-15-2007, 03:37 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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In it's broader sense it recognizes that God fearing people, who all affirm the inerrency of scripture, can have various interpretations of the same.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-15-2007, 03:43 PM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
In it's broader sense it recognizes that God fearing people, who all affirm the inerrency of scripture, can have various interpretations of the same.
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so you believe that "various interpretations" of the scriptures, especially regarding the New Birth experience, will eventually lead a person to heaven?
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
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05-15-2007, 03:44 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malvaro
so believing the Word is true.... supersedes obedience to the Word?
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I am saying it is the primary common denominator. It follows that you also must obey the scriptures as I interpret them...
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-15-2007, 03:45 PM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I am saying it is the primary common denominator. It follows that you also must obey the scriptures as I interpret them... |
i understood the point you were trying to make and withdrew my previous post #7.... to correctly respond back to you....
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
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05-15-2007, 03:45 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malvaro
so you believe that "various interpretations" of the scriptures, especially regarding the New Birth experience, will eventually lead a person to heaven?
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To be safe everyone should ask me first - and get my interpretation.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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