Gay Children

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

There talking about the long bus Jay;
(v the short bus)
and AYR is just taking advantage of your, um,
special knowledge here.

bbyrd,

I'm going to have to sleep on this one here for the significance of the diff between long bus vs short bus.

Jay, do you have special knowledge that you are not sharing here? That might get you disqualified for the bus.

[bbyrd009]

Ok, yur totally making me give it away, but here

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

They're talking about the long bus Jay;
(v the short bus)
and AYR is just taking advantage of your, um,
"special" knowledge here.

[Aquila]

I'm concerned with being too hard on a soft boy or a Tom-girl. Sometimes when we punish kids for things they begin to obsess over them. In the end it could cause a kid to question their identity and convince them that they are gay. For example, with potty training it appears that the bigger of an issue you make it... the more trouble many have with it.

Just a thought.

I always try to remember, Esau was a hunter. Jacob was a dweller in tents who cooked the pottage and venison with mom.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm concerned with being too hard on a soft boy or a Tom-girl. Sometimes when we punish kids for things they begin to obsess over them. In the end it could cause a kid to question their identity and convince them that they are gay. For example, with potty training it appears that the bigger of an issue you make it... the more trouble many have with it.

Just a thought.

I always try to remember, Esau was a hunter. Jacob was a dweller in tents who cooked the pottage and venison with mom.

I pretty much agree with this post. I would not consider cooking and housework homosexual behavior at all.

PS I hate camping when that means sleeping on a surface harder than a mattress.

[bbyrd009]

Amen to both of you. As a cooker of pottage with mom, so to speak,
growing up, I can witness that the wrist slap or whatever was exactly what I needed
to insure that I would never, ever be like him. Not sure why I'm not gay;
I guess it just manifests diff for diff people.

"I hate ______ when that means ______..."
Oh, I get the point there now,
but two weeks is all it takes for that hate
to be overcome. yes?

[Aquila]

I would like to say... I think that there is no sure formula. Some are gay in spite of any efforts on behalf of their parents to "straighten them out". I'd like to tell these parents not to blame themselves. I'd also like to tell others not to judge these parents as though they could have prevented it. I've seen this personally. It's ugly.

I think it's a normal human reaction to try to find a formula in which one can trust to bring a desired result. The randomness and unknown variables of life can be disturbing for many.

I still think that sin has marred us body, mind, and spirit. The roots of a sinful inclination can therefore found in the flesh (biology), the soul (psychology), or the spirit (spirituality). Often our sinful nature has left its mark on all three aspects of our being. We must be patient and open to healing the whole person. As religious people we often focus on the spiritual and insist on a spiritual solution (ignoring the psychological and biological). Some go as far as to include a psychological course of action with a spiritual course of action. However, there is also the biology of the flesh to contend with... here we can either treat medically or pray for healing depending on the situation.

For example:

Excessive anger, wrath, and bitterness is a sin. Many have focused on the spiritual demanding repentance and will power to overcome. But the person still struggles with mood swings, wrath, bursts of anger and rage. Then we begin looking at the psychology behind it and admonish counseling. Often the problem continues. Then we consider biology and discover chemical/hormonal imbalances. These require medical treatment and/or divine healing. So here we see that for some, the sinful work of the flesh (anger, wrath, bursts of rage, bitterness) is linked to a biological issue. This bological issue doesn't minimize the sin. It only goes on to prove another dimension of what Paul meant when he wrote that there was no good thing in the flesh. The Bible explains that we are all born sinners by nature. It proves that even the flesh is often marred by sin. Sin is often found at work in every aspect of our being. We'd be a people most hopeless if not for grace.

Sometimes you can do all that you know to do and still undesirable things happen. Always remember, sin has warped every aspect of our being and there is nothing we can do to prevent some things. Just keep these things in mind.

[bbyrd009]

Yup-

"I think it's a normal human reaction to try to find a formula"

sweet. Oh, snap.
Maybe that is what Christ means @ "Be ye perfect," hmm...yup,
I think so. Yes, He means do do that, mmmkay? It's bad.
The..."formula" will become apparent when it is needed;
and you won't see it if you are embarked upon your own formula.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yup-

"I think it's a normal human reaction to try to find a formula"

sweet. Oh, snap.
Maybe that is what Christ means @ "Be ye perfect," hmm...yup,
I think so. Yes, He means do do that, mmmkay? It's bad.
The..."formula" will become apparent when it is needed;
and you won't see it if you are embarked upon your own formula.

WE can't be perfect. However, we can partake in His perfection. Christ IS our righteousness. We are being perfect in as much as we are abiding in Christ.

[bbyrd009]

Well, but we can, just not perfect as we are defining it?

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yup-

"I think it's a normal human reaction to try to find a formula"

sweet. Oh, snap.
Maybe that is what Christ means @ "Be ye perfect,"

The context even seems to support this; always seemed like
such a strange reply, at that...juncture.

[bbyrd009]

Yes; surely this won't track immediately, and I'm out the door, but--

See the sense in which Hitler was perfect, in the context of
"I created evil;"
Not pretty to us, not desired by the whole; not conforming to a higher nature--
none of those things. Perfectly manifesting. Hmm.