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Old 06-17-2012, 04:49 AM
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Re: So Sexy Isn't Offensive?

I have never heard anyone say it was a sin to wear short sleeve clothing.
I have been in churches who do ask their members to not wear it.
The practical reason given is that with some short sleeves on females you can see more than you wish if they raise their arms.
Which is true.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:59 AM
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I have never heard anyone say it was a sin to wear short sleeve clothing.
I have been in churches who do ask their members to not wear it.
The practical reason given is that with some short sleeves on females you can see more than you wish if they raise their arms.
Which is true.
May I introduce you to Elder Epley and a bazillion other ultra cons who do think it is is sin!
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May I introduce you to Elder Epley and a bazillion other ultra cons who do think it is is sin!
In some ways I am as ultra-con as they come!!!
Our church associates with both WPF and UPC.
The pastor I grew up with was one of the driving forces behind the affirmation statement, in the UPC.
My previous pastor was one of the first to break with the UPC, due to the tv issue.
However, I have still never heard a preacher say this...
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I don't know if I'm skeptical or surprised you aren't aware of the short sleeve doctrine.

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In some ways I am as ultra-con as they come!!!
Our church associates with both WPF and UPC.
The pastor I grew up with was one of the driving forces behind the affirmation statement, in the UPC.
My previous pastor was one of the first to break with the UPC, due to the tv issue.
However, I have still never heard a preacher say this...
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I don't know if I'm skeptical or surprised you aren't aware of the short sleeve doctrine.
I am very aware of it.
Just have not heard short sleeves called a sin from the pulpit.
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#1, It probably wouldn't take me, as a male, long to figure out someone dressed in the manner BR described was violating some sort of universal dress code rule, especially in the workplace. During my days of working in the office, there was one particular female who got eyes turned from nearly everyone who saw her. Even if only for a second, one could tell her shirt and skirts were too revealing. Pardon the detailed description, but it's pretty bad when her cleavage (easily blocking her view of her feet) would wiggle and bounce so much she was constantly pulling her shirt up. The same thing happened when she was walking in such short skirts. Since I haven't worked in the office in quite some time, I have no idea if she's still an employee. I can only hope she was talked to by the appropriate people before further action was taken.

#2, I agree that some people dress provocative because they know somone will be looking, whether to entice or not. It's bound to happen. It's modern society. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not. However, I will refrain from repeat glances knowing my eyes have no business feasting on such sights any longer. After all, I'm a married Christian man.

#3, I firmly believe what one displays as provocative is, in disguise, a cry out for attention of some kind, whether the kind they are looking for is Jesus or not. I mean, I think we all need to think back (for those of us non-established church-goers) to when we were hungry and searching for something. While maybe not this degree, I do believe we were all hungry for something and didn't know what at the time. But, when we knew what satisfied our hunger, we remembered it and have kept feeding ourselves since. At least I hope (I'm talking about Jesus here).

#4, The most important thing for all of us to remember: be a witness, not a trouble-maker. If one is provoking something over and over, I would probably wait and see if the situation takes care of itself (i.e., others do the telling-on and the correction happens as a result). God sees both sides, the provocateur and the provoked. He'll take care of whatever needs to happen in order for His will to be done, even in a corporate and/or public setting.
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