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07-12-2012, 09:13 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
This thread has made me more compassionate. And truly understanding ILG better now. It really makes me angry that y'all went through that meanness, and the uncaring attitude y'all received from the District.
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07-12-2012, 09:19 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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This thread has made me more compassionate. And truly understanding ILG better now. It really makes me angry that y'all went through that meanness, and the uncaring attitude y'all received from the District.
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Thanks Cindy. I hope this church gets some healing but only the district or people with some power can help. To the rest, I think it's best to move on, sadly. It is just a building and power struggles can be horrible.
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07-12-2012, 09:23 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
Yes Cindy I agree wholeheartedly.
Honking horns at 3 am and vandalism to another person's vehicle is criminal and not Christian. Not to mention lawsuits directed at the wrong people and the district not having a fair and impartial inquiry into the matter. It smacks of favoritism and injustice.
True stories are not gossiping. They are someone's account of what happened to them while they placed a measure of trust in what is touted as elders and presbyter overseers. When that trust is betrayed, a simple "get over it" will never get it.
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07-13-2012, 12:17 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
Notify the IRS. That will stop the hanky panky in a heart beat.
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Originally Posted by StillStanding
Some of you may be familiar with this situation involving a pastor who recently passed away. He was a strong leader and didn't have a board. All decisions and finances were handled by him and his family. His daughter handled the finances of the church, some of which were invested to buy rental homes for extra income.
The pastor didn't have a successor in place as he held all power until he passed, even though he could hardly speak or walk in his final months. When he became incapacitated, his daughter held full power.
Well...a church vote was held for the daughter's choice to be pastor, and he was voted down. Last week she sent certified letters to all the families that weren't in agreement with her (a majority), and told them they were no longer welcome and were no longer considered members of the church. She essentially kicked them out of the church!
IMO, her strategy is to have another vote with the remaining families that voted with her! How sad to manipulate a good group of people to get what you want!
Anyway, last week she decided to give herself a $200 a week raise as church manager. She didn't need to ask for permission as she has absolute power to do as she pleases.
I hate to see what was once a great influential Apostolic church decline to this type of behavior and power struggle! A truly sad story of how absolute power can absolutely corrupt! This happens even in an Acts 2:38, Oneness, strict standards type church.
FYI, my wife was raised in this church and her aunt still attends there. The church is no longer tied to any Apostolic organization, so there in nobody to help them get thru this problem. Other pastors that were close friends to the church are afraid to get in the middle of this church fight! |
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07-13-2012, 07:36 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
If saints of God would only pray and seek the face of God when it comes time to elect a new pastor, we wouldn't have this problem. After all, God is not the author of confusion. We might sometimes be surprised who God might chose to be the leader over His people!
Sometimes I think that maybe we should be like the Methodists and other organizations....let them send pastors from those in authority. Isn't that what Paul did?
Even then, I'm sure a few 'lemons' would slip through.
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07-13-2012, 07:57 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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If saints of God would only pray and seek the face of God when it comes time to elect a new pastor, we wouldn't have this problem. After all, God is not the author of confusion. We might sometimes be surprised who God might chose to be the leader over His people!
Sometimes I think that maybe we should be like the Methodists and other organizations....let them send pastors from those in authority. Isn't that what Paul did?
Even then, I'm sure a few 'lemons' would slip through.
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Uh.....did you read the thread? They did pray and have a vote. The daughter's candidate for pastor was voted down. That vote was not honored. Instead enough of the ones voting against him were sent letters by the daughter kicking them out of the church so that when they hold a second vote he is assured to be elected!
So the element of the saints seeking Gods will, etc has been taken out of the equkation by the actions of the daughter.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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07-13-2012, 05:03 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by CC1
Uh.....did you read the thread? They did pray and have a vote. The daughter's candidate for pastor was voted down. That vote was not honored. Instead enough of the ones voting against him were sent letters by the daughter kicking them out of the church so that when they hold a second vote he is assured to be elected!
So the element of the saints seeking Gods will, etc has been taken out of the equkation by the actions of the daughter.
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You would think it would just be a whole lot easier for the daughter to have counted the ballots herself and avoided the whole "kicking out" part. 
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07-13-2012, 09:22 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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You would think it would just be a whole lot easier for the daughter to have counted the ballots herself and avoided the whole "kicking out" part. |
LOL!!! Good point.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-13-2012, 05:18 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by CC1
Uh.....did you read the thread? They did pray and have a vote. The daughter's candidate for pastor was voted down. That vote was not honored. Instead enough of the ones voting against him were sent letters by the daughter kicking them out of the church so that when they hold a second vote he is assured to be elected!
So the element of the saints seeking Gods will, etc has been taken out of the equkation by the actions of the daughter.
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Yes, I did read the thread, CC1. Evidently everyone didn't pray and seek God's will. Namely the daughter! You're going to always have those who are troublemakers....and don't seek God. Hence the trouble they're going through...
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07-13-2012, 07:58 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Sarah
If saints of God would only pray and seek the face of God when it comes time to elect a new pastor, we wouldn't have this problem. After all, God is not the author of confusion. We might sometimes be surprised who God might chose to be the leader over His people!
Sometimes I think that maybe we should be like the Methodists and other organizations....let them send pastors from those in authority. Isn't that what Paul did?
Even then, I'm sure a few 'lemons' would slip through.
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The Methodist aren't related to Paul.  Paul was an Apostle not an elected official of some man made org. just saying........................
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