Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[LooneyLucy]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

I suppose i see the similarity between business structure in terms of accountability and fiscal responsibility and the church...where I disagree is modeling a church after secular business practices. Business do provide goods and services for a price, and they exist to do one thing...make a profit.

I am not even going to get into the differences between Tithes and free will offerings, as that has been beaten to death. We should be responsible to give both to one another and to those who honor is due...that said, there is a very fine line between building Gods kingdom and building a personal kingdom using donations from hard working people to live off of, but I digress.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

I suppose i see the similarity between business structure in terms of accountability and fiscal responsibility and the church...where I disagree is modeling a church after secular business practices. Business do provide goods and services for a price, and they exist to do one thing...make a profit.

I am not even going to get into the differences between Tithes and free will offerings, as that has been beaten to death. We should be responsible to give both to one another and to those who honor is due...that said, there is a very fine line between building Gods kingdom and building a personal kingdom using donations from hard working people to live off of, but I digress.

I agree with you from the point of view that a church should be non-profit, although even non-profit organizations pay out salaries to employees.

This thread is going off on a tangent, but I will say this: some pastors accumulate wealth because they take too much of what is given; others accumulate wealth because they are good stewards of what they are given and/or because they have earned money from private efforts. Those who fall into the latter category should be respected for their stewardship, not criticized for it.

Our pastor takes a far-too-modest-salary (IMO) and has to supplement by working outside jobs. I really dislike that, because I know he would be more productive for the church and community if he didn't have to work the extra jobs. When a church asks a pastor to come and work for them, I don't see the problem with the church offering compensation. A pastor is ultimately still a man who needs to provide for his family, first and foremost. I fail to see how working for the church and earning a living should be mutually exclusive.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree with you from the point of view that a church should be non-profit, although even non-profit organizations pay out salaries to employees.

This thread is going off on a tangent, but I will say this: some pastors accumulate wealth because they take too much of what is given; others accumulate wealth because they are good stewards of what they are given and/or because they have earned money from private efforts. Those who fall into the latter category should be respected for their stewardship, not criticized for it.

Our pastor takes a far-too-modest-salary (IMO) and has to supplement by working outside jobs. I really dislike that, because I know he would be more productive for the church and community if he didn't have to work the extra jobs. When a church asks a pastor to come and work for them, I don't see the problem with the church offering compensation. A pastor is ultimately still a man who needs to provide for his family, first and foremost. I fail to see how working for the church and earning a living should be mutually exclusive.

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[Dordrecht]

Threads like this should be deleted right from the start.
I find this disgusting.

[Bishop Cleatus]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Threads like this should be deleted right from the start.
I find this disgusting.

Which part, exactly?

[tv1a]

There is nothing like a preacher's downfall to bring out the Monday morning quarterbacks and the webcam prophets. Whatever the pastor did wrong, as soon as he repented, God forgave him. God didn't get together with holy trinity and analyze the pastor's indiscretions.

If our goal is to be like Jesus, a good place to start is intercede for the city and those affected by the abrupt departure. Pray the collateral damage is minimal, if at all.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Threads like this should be deleted right from the start.
I find this disgusting.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree with you from the point of view that a church should be non-profit, although even non-profit organizations pay out salaries to employees.

This thread is going off on a tangent, but I will say this: some pastors accumulate wealth because they take too much of what is given; others accumulate wealth because they are good stewards of what they are given and/or because they have earned money from private efforts. Those who fall into the latter category should be respected for their stewardship, not criticized for it.

Our pastor takes a far-too-modest-salary (IMO) and has to supplement by working outside jobs. I really dislike that, because I know he would be more productive for the church and community if he didn't have to work the extra jobs. When a church asks a pastor to come and work for them, I don't see the problem with the church offering compensation. A pastor is ultimately still a man who needs to provide for his family, first and foremost. I fail to see how working for the church and earning a living should be mutually exclusive.

I believe for every church to survive the Pastor should not work. It's not fair, nor the First Lady. Unless she works at the church. That is what they are here for to Work in the fields& in the Church House. A pastor also has the right to take 100% of the tithes as well for salary if he wishes. But then you have board members who run the church some pastors own their churches and put the UPC logo on it, but the church is not considered a UPCI church but the pastor holds a UPCI license. therefor the pastor owns the church and thus he cannot be kicked to the curb when something happens. In this case i do not know but I would guess that he did not have that control. This church went thru this same ordeal in 1985-1986. I will not say names, but the Former Pastor and Teacher at the academy school of this church--He was having an affair with his secretary and the men of the church board followed him one night when he left the platform during the service and they caught them at the pastors Home and I think they got it on Video for proof.

This church has really had it ruff. I was very surprised to hear of this issue today. When bro black took over he was very hard to deal with!!!! Bro Black grew over the years and became a different person to me. In those days if the Mans hair was to long they would sit you down in 2 seconds. but what gets me is these pastors have these rules that are so over rated, they don't follow some of them but u have to. I went to visit this church years later and i was told that Bro Black didn't live in a big house as the previous pastor lived in a 2 story with a Maid, and bro black didn't even drive a new car. So i cannot say anything about that part. But I saw this day coming in the back of my mind. I wonder how long it would take for this to unfold. Yes he deserves forgiveness and his is human, but when you Hammer down on PEOPLE about RULES and you KNOCK PEOPLE down out of positions because their hair is long and touches their collars thats going over board. But the other more serious rules don't seem to apply here in this situation.

Because if he was doing anything of what has been talked about he should have Sat himself down right after it happened. But it's seems today that a PASTOR can fall down and he can remain the pastor if he commits a SIN that would SIT other's down , who sits him down? I believe that everyone deserves a second chance but in this case, I was the one with my hair touching my COLLAR and i ws drug into his office and told that he never wanted to see me on his platform again, i was on the platform in the dark when church wasn't even going on. But Today I hear that this man has fallen and I wonder why the rules don't apply to them? Because I was not committing ANY SINS , I actually went in to tell him a situation that happened to me as a kid, and I was confused, but he didnt want me having any part of the platform or any leadership. Yet i was not committing any sin. But he can commit Moral sins and he gets the FREE PASS until the People find out about it.

This is why people are fed up with RELIGION and POLITICS. The pastors family has a right to work in the church, I won't say anything about that issue. But it seems to me that everyone in his family was on the payroll just about. including sons in laws.......... All of this stuff back in the day was so strict laws but now we find out that things are being DONE and the rules change when its seems convenient to their situation. to me this is not fair. But everyone at that church went along with it. People's lives are being ruined and people are walking away from church because of Pastors who can RUN THE SHOW any way they want and the rules are changing. The world has been watching this group for a long time and slowly but surely the rules are changing.....NO TV to TV ....NO JEWELRY to Some JEWELRY, Only wedding rings, but now oh women can have an extra ring on the other hand as long as its a mothers day ring and class rings,. Dress code is getting worse, Womens clothes getting tighter skirt splits higher, girls wearing their shirts to their Cleavage..whats next MINI SKIRTS and tank tops? also men waering their pants so tight u can see their JUNK in the TRUNK and UNDER THE HOOD, that's discusting, ... I seen a PASTOR big name in UPC singer too his wife posted a facebook PIC of her in a BIKINI with her TOP untied but she was on her stomach and her whole body was exposed. I just don't get it. It's not ok when the saints mess up, but it's ok when Pastors are getting away with this stuff. It's a double standard and it's not fair.
That's it Im done.
I was a Former Member of this Church thru Both Pastors. So don't say I don't have my Facts because I was there.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MemphisTN

I believe for every church to survive the Pastor should not work. It's not fair, nor the First Lady. Unless she works at the church. That is what they are here for to Work in the fields& in the Church House. A pastor also has the right to take 100% of the tithes as well for salary if he wishes. But then you have board members who run the church some pastors own their churches and put the UPC logo on it, but the church is not considered a UPCI church but the pastor holds a UPCI license. therefor the pastor owns the church and thus he cannot be kicked to the curb when something happens. In this case i do not know but I would guess that he did not have that control. This church went thru this same ordeal in 1985-1986. I will not say names, but the Former Pastor and Teacher at the academy school of this church--He was having an affair with his secretary and the men of the church board followed him one night when he left the platform during the service and they caught them at the pastors Home and I think they got it on Video for proof.

This church has really had it ruff. I was very surprised to hear of this issue today. When bro black took over he was very hard to deal with!!!! Bro Black grew over the years and became a different person to me. In those days if the Mans hair was to long they would sit you down in 2 seconds. but what gets me is these pastors have these rules that are so over rated, they don't follow some of them but u have to. I went to visit this church years later and i was told that Bro Black didn't live in a big house as the previous pastor lived in a 2 story with a Maid, and bro black didn't even drive a new car. So i cannot say anything about that part. But I saw this day coming in the back of my mind. I wonder how long it would take for this to unfold. Yes he deserves forgiveness and his is human, but when you Hammer down on PEOPLE about RULES and you KNOCK PEOPLE down out of positions because their hair is long and touches their collars thats going over board. But the other more serious rules don't seem to apply here in this situation.

Because if he was doing anything of what has been talked about he should have Sat himself down right after it happened. But it's seems today that a PASTOR can fall down and he can remain the pastor if he commits a SIN that would SIT other's down , who sits him down? I believe that everyone deserves a second chance but in this case, I was the one with my hair touching my COLLAR and i ws drug into his office and told that he never wanted to see me on his platform again, i was on the platform in the dark when church wasn't even going on. But Today I hear that this man has fallen and I wonder why the rules don't apply to them? Because I was not committing ANY SINS , I actually went in to tell him a situation that happened to me as a kid, and I was confused, but he didnt want me having any part of the platform or any leadership. Yet i was not committing any sin. But he can commit Moral sins and he gets the FREE PASS until the People find out about it.

This is why people are fed up with RELIGION and POLITICS. The pastors family has a right to work in the church, I won't say anything about that issue. But it seems to me that everyone in his family was on the payroll just about. including sons in laws.......... All of this stuff back in the day was so strict laws but now we find out that things are being DONE and the rules change when its seems convenient to their situation. to me this is not fair. But everyone at that church went along with it. People's lives are being ruined and people are walking away from church because of Pastors who can RUN THE SHOW any way they want and the rules are changing. The world has been watching this group for a long time and slowly but surely the rules are changing.....NO TV to TV ....NO JEWELRY to Some JEWELRY, Only wedding rings, but now oh women can have an extra ring on the other hand as long as its a mothers day ring and class rings,. Dress code is getting worse, Womens clothes getting tighter skirt splits higher, girls wearing their shirts to their Cleavage..whats next MINI SKIRTS and tank tops? also men waering their pants so tight u can see their JUNK in the TRUNK and UNDER THE HOOD, that's discusting, ... I seen a PASTOR big name in UPC singer too his wife posted a facebook PIC of her in a BIKINI with her TOP untied but she was on her stomach and her whole body was exposed. I just don't get it. It's not ok when the saints mess up, but it's ok when Pastors are getting away with this stuff. It's a double standard and it's not fair.
That's it Im done.
I was a Former Member of this Church thru Both Pastors. So don't say I don't have my Facts because I was there.

no disrespect intended, but you should really paragraph your posts and space between so that your post aren't to difficult to read.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

no disrespect intended, but you should really paragraph your posts and space between so that your post aren't to difficult to read.

BTW, Wasn't N.P Urshan the original pastor of the church in question?

Yes He was. I thought i stated that..........sorry about my writing i will try harder to make it eaiser on you and others.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MemphisTN

I believe for every church to survive the Pastor should not work. It's not fair, nor the First Lady. Unless she works at the church. That is what they are here for to Work in the fields& in the Church House. A pastor also has the right to take 100% of the tithes as well for salary if he wishes..

Yeah...that's a bunch of baloney. In a well working church the entire body is working in the fields and in the so called "Church House", with the Pastor equiping the body to do that work

No, he does not have that right. That is where bad pastors come from when they believe they have a right to take.