Christianity and War - Page 4

Dordrecht · #1 10-10-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I just tried to imagine what Christ would say to him, and then I repeated it. Is this clear enough?

You are an imitator of Christ now?

Titus2woman · #2 10-10-2012, 10:13 AM

Woza...

I am proud of you for speaking your mind instead of cloaking it in quips.

AreYouReady? · #3 10-09-2012, 08:19 PM

It would help for Congress to close the borders and repeal any executive orders that counter that. Just sayin....

CC1 · #4 10-09-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

It would help for Congress to close the borders and repeal any executive orders that counter that. Just sayin....

AMEN!!!!

There are four things you can tax me for and I won't mind;

1. Build more prisons (so we never have to release dangerous people due to over
crowding)

2. Rid the United State of fire ants.

3. Cure cancer

4. Build a fence on he border of the USA and Mexico. (Force Mexico to face
up to their systemic economic problems and start providing jobs for their
own countrymen.)

AreYouReady? · #5 10-09-2012, 08:35 PM

Fire Ants! Now that is a losing battle. I managed to only have one ant home invasion this summer because hubby was diligent on poisoning the ant hills...but they are still out there. Ugh!

The border is not only open to illegal undocumented immigrants (to be politically correct) but also to whomever lands in Mexico by plane and travels across the border to get here.

Not allowed to say the "C" (cure) word for cancer, but the cure is being suppressed. Lots and lots and lots of money in cancer drugs that reduce the quality of life and mostly do not cure one of the disease. Makes me wonder just exactly where all the money goes that is collected from the "Race for the Cure" campaigns.

bbyrd009 · #6 10-09-2012, 09:29 PM

And I won't lie, CC, I've really
considered this, these, posts-
-site guidelines preclude me from
telling you what I really think, ok?
Seek help.

Aquila · #7 10-10-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante

Do you believe the Bush Doctrine (a political ideology, not a theological one) which states that if our nation perceives another nation a threat that we should preemptively attack them first before they get the chance to attack us?

If so, how does that idea comply with the Christian virtue of "turning the other cheek?" After all, America is a "Christian nation," right?

The Bush Doctrine doesn't comply with Just War doctrine. One cannot attack a country simply because it's a potential threat. I mean, we're potential threats to many countries... what if they adopted the Bush Doctrine tomorrow and implimented an attack to defend themselves from a future attack from America???

It leads us down the road to insanity. Just War Doctrine is the only context in which I can accept a war's validity:

Principles of the Just War

-A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.
-A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate.
-A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient--see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury.
-A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.
-The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.
-The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered.
-The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.

Titus2woman · #8 10-10-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The Bush Doctrine doesn't comply with Just War doctrine. One cannot attack a country simply because it's a potential threat. I mean, we're potential threats to many countries... what if they adopted the Bush Doctrine tomorrow and implimented an attack to defend themselves from a future attack from America???

It leads us down the road to insanity. Just War Doctrine is the only context in which I can accept a war's validity:

Principles of the Just War

-A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.
-A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate.
-A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient--see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury.
-A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.
-The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.
-The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered.
-The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.

If just war doctrine was followed by everyone I believe there would probably never be another war as we know it...

Aquila · #9 10-11-2012, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

If just war doctrine was followed by everyone I believe there would probably never be another war as we know it...

The unrighteous will not follow the philosophy of just war. They will either justify a war of choice as an agressor... or stoop to the level of their equally unrighteous enemies as a response.

houston · #10 10-10-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Yeah. Christians.