Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by CC1

Back to the original subject of this thread, as a exUPcer who has "gone charismatic" I think I can identify one other thing that is hard for UPC / Old time Pentecostal people to adjust to.

One you are out of a sect that emphasizes emotion and outward demonstrations of "worship" and devotion it is quite an adjustment. Going from a group who measures a person's spirituality and position with God by how loud they pray, speak in tongues and how vigorously they "shout" (dance, run, etc) to groups where Christianity is judged more by the changes it makes in ones life and how one absorbs, and lives out God's word, etc is huge.

Many times exUPCer's miss the high energy,fast music, jumpin' up and down', doin' the "helicopter" services. Their religious life has been so built around that culture it is what many view as the "moving of God" in their midst.

I will submit to you that having attended both type churches for many years each I believe the actual work of the Holy Spirit is no greater in the highly emotional church than the church based on hearing and doing the Word.

I have seen just as many changed lives, miracles, transformations, and deliverances in churches where there is no whooping, hollaring, running the aisles, spinning around, etc as I have in churches that do.

It is though, without a doubt, a difference in religious culture that many old time Pentecostals have a hard time adjusting to because of the highly emotional aspects being taught to them for years as evidence of their position with God.

"You need a blessing in your life speak in tongues and run the isles!" - most UPCI Evangelist

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by CC1

Back to the original subject of this thread, as a exUPcer who has "gone charismatic" I think I can identify one other thing that is hard for UPC / Old time Pentecostal people to adjust to.

One you are out of a sect that emphasizes emotion and outward demonstrations of "worship" and devotion it is quite an adjustment. Going from a group who measures a person's spirituality and position with God by how loud they pray, speak in tongues and how vigorously they "shout" (dance, run, etc) to groups where Christianity is judged more by the changes it makes in ones life and how one absorbs, and lives out God's word, etc is huge.

Many times exUPCer's miss the high energy,fast music, jumpin' up and down', doin' the "helicopter" services. Their religious life has been so built around that culture it is what many view as the "moving of God" in their midst.

I will submit to you that having attended both type churches for many years each I believe the actual work of the Holy Spirit is no greater in the highly emotional church than the church based on hearing and doing the Word.

I have seen just as many changed lives, miracles, transformations, and deliverances in churches where there is no whooping, hollaring, running the aisles, spinning around, etc as I have in churches that do.

It is though, without a doubt, a difference in religious culture that many old time Pentecostals have a hard time adjusting to because of the highly emotional aspects being taught to them for years as evidence of their position with God.

I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but there are many-- if not the vast majority of, Pentecostal churches that are based on hearing {BELIEVING} and doing the Word of God.

I think that the House of the Lord should be a place of rejoicing-- with singing, tambourines, pianos, drums, organs, harps, etc. Many of today's self-proclaimed "word-based" churches leave out the part of the Word that they are uncomfortable or unfamiliar with.

So there is very little rejoicing in their services.
The excitement that is in some of their chruches is akin to a pep rally or rock concert.

But they are missing a real and genuine Moving of the God in their services.

Can this be while their parishoners confess their lives to be genuinely changed by the power of the Holy Ghost?

I guess so.


The abundant life is more than the stoic church services of many baptist churches and it is more than the Sunday-night high received from an amazing Pentecostal church service-- but it wouldn't be void of either of these aspects.

[Steve Epley]

I went to church this morning to Racine Apostolic Church we had 88 visitors we counted and 10 out of town visitors we didn't count. I told them how to be saved.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I went to church this morning to Racine Apostolic Church we had 88 visitors we counted and 10 out of town visitors we didn't count. I told them how to be saved.

We had church this morning and the Gospel was preached.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I went to church this morning to Racine Apostolic Church we had 88 visitors we counted and 10 out of town visitors we didn't count. I told them how to be saved.

First, the building with the sign "Racine Apostolic Church" isn't the church. You've confused the romanist building system you follow with the Church.

Did you tell them that they had to have another man, such as yourself, intone certain words over them during baptism or they would go to hell? In other words, the path to heaven goes through the baptismal works of another man, such as yourself...did ya tell them that in your instructions on how they could be saved? Did you tell them they had to speak in tongues or even your righteous works on their behalf was worthless? How about telling them about the salvation requirements of hair?

Did you even mention the blood of the Lamb of God in your salvation discourse? What part does that play?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by seekerman

First, the building with the sign "Racine Apostolic Church" isn't the church. You've confused the romanist building system you follow with the Church.

Did you tell them that they had to have another man, such as yourself, intone certain words over them during baptism or they would go to hell? In other words, the path to heaven goes through the baptismal works of another man, such as yourself...did ya tell them that in your instructions on how they could be saved? Did you tell them they had to speak in tongues or even your righteous works on their behalf was worthless? How about telling them about the salvation requirements of hair?

Did you even mention the blood of the Lamb of God in your salvation discourse? What part does that play?

Speaking of that Romanist stuff you never have answered if you have a Roman xmas tree?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Speaking of that Romanist stuff you never have answered if you have a Roman xmas tree?

Also probably uses one of those pagan calendars to keep track of time!

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I went to church this morning to Racine Apostolic Church we had 88 visitors we counted and 10 out of town visitors we didn't count. I told them how to be saved.

Praise the Lord Brother Epley!

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I went to church this morning to Racine Apostolic Church we had 88 visitors we counted and 10 out of town visitors we didn't count. I told them how to be saved.

Great brother
keep up the good work

and ignore the critics.

you are doing God's work and I rejoice in that.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I went to church this morning to Racine Apostolic Church we had 88 visitors we counted and 10 out of town visitors we didn't count. I told them how to be saved.

Glad to hear this Elder! My sources say you are hosting a big name "prophet" Please give us the scoop on Pope Francis!