Where do the lost spend eternity? Really!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That was subtle. No sir. It is not "I could not speak english", It's that when I tried to speak english I spoke in other languages in stead...tongues.

Subtle? Too subtle for me! What are you talking about? What's the difference in those two statements? (Other than the extra detail in yours that instead of English you spoke in tongues.) You could not speak English, right?

Seriously, you try too hard to make me look bad, sometimes! Relax, let me do it myself!

What if I really don't speak in tongues? What does that mean?

That you are deluded.

What if you really DID speak in tongues, but now you have rejected the gift of God...what does THAT mean?

That I erred on the side of common sense.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I said that I don't ask proof from you, and that's true, but it would be within my rights to do so, or anyone else's rights when they see tongues practiced or preached. The only reason I am not is that I know there isn't proof, and probably can't be. (I say probably, because I could imagine a scenario that would be very convincing - like someone I am 100% certain does not know any English speaking perfect English. But that would be xenoglossy, as in Acts 2, not glossolalia, which is more common today, I think.)

It's an extraordinary thing to consider: God taking over your speech and making something in a heavenly language come out. God Himself! That's one of the most astonishing things there could be! It seems to be taken pretty lightly among most pentecostals today, considering what it is claimed to be.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

OK, yielding control, but able to stop yielding control if they wanted to. I'll accept that. But you said you tried to speak English and couldn't. That, to me, implies you were unable to stop "yielding", at least until it was all over.

I don't know that I could have gained control or not. I just know when I tried to say something in english it came out something else

Are you saying what Benny Hinn does is not the real thing? How do you know that?

He has several claimed healings that are all unverifiable. His ministry is out in the open and subject to scrutiny. Being out in the open like that allows the fakes to make more mistakes.

I figured out that I faked it after many years of observation (of myself and others), thinking back about my experiences, study, and hearing others admit it. BTW, the term "faked it" is kind of tricky. If I believed it was real (and I did) but it wasn't, is that really faking? "Delusion" may be more accurate.

I don't know, you were the one that said you faked it. How do you know at first it was real but later on you began to fake it?