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08-27-2013, 01:37 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
No one approved of being drunk.
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08-27-2013, 02:05 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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No one approved of being drunk.
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I do believe that some of those passages mention more that just being drunk. Allow me to point them out.
Pro.23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Dont look at it.
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
Dont offer it to anyone.
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08-27-2013, 02:15 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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I do believe that some of those passages mention more that just being drunk. Allow me to point them out.
Pro.23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Dont look at it.
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
Dont offer it to anyone. |
Paul the apostle told Timothy to use no longer water but a little wine for his stomachs sake. If the rest of first and second Timothy is for us this is too. My former Pastor Delbert Havens said the Evangelists gave him a funny look when they saw he kept a jug in his refrigerator. I have one in mine as we speak.
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08-27-2013, 02:22 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Paul the apostle told Timothy to use no longer water but a little wine for his stomachs sake. If the rest of first and second Timothy is for us this is too. My former Pastor Delbert Havens said the Evangelists gave him a funny look when they saw he kept a jug in his refrigerator. I have one in mine as we speak.
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That is talking about medicine so i agree take medicine for when your sick.
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
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08-27-2013, 02:43 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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That is talking about medicine so i agree take medicine for when your sick.
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. |
Wine = Medicine???
Funny that you take wine in Proverbs 23 to mean wine, but in 1 Tim 5:23, wine means medicine...
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08-27-2013, 02:41 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Originally Posted by Luke
I do believe that some of those passages mention more that just being drunk. Allow me to point them out.
Pro.23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Dont look at it.
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
Dont offer it to anyone. |
Deut 14
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Not just wine only, but strong drink too... 
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08-27-2013, 08:37 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Deut 14
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Not just wine only, but strong drink too...
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Luke, what's your explanation of Deut 14:26...Not just wine only, but strong drink too... 
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08-28-2013, 02:03 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Luke, what's your explanation of Deut 14:26...Not just wine only, but strong drink too... |
To be honest i will have to admit that i have never noticed that verse before though i am sure that i have read it. That being said i also cannot take one obscure scripture and by it discount and passover all other sriptures that deal with the same topic. As i can find and reference multiple passages that condemn both wine and strong drink for nazerites, priest ( when in the service and prescence of the Lord) kings, and even just the common man it would be faulty hermenutics to take the one (out of 20 that i found) obscure passage that deals with strong drink in a seemingly ok way and by it nullify all of the warnings and woes against it.
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08-27-2013, 03:39 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
Oh goody. It has been a long time since I have seen old time Pentecostals try to spin that tale that the wine that was ok to drink was just grape juice and not real wine. I feel that one coming on any minute now!
If a person takes an honest look at the scriptures pertaining to wine as a whole and in context it is clear the condemnation is for drunkenness, not drinking wine.
Having said that I personally can't stand wine. Hate the taste.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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08-27-2013, 03:40 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Oh goody. It has been a long time since I have seen old time Pentecostals try to spin that tale that the wine that was ok to drink was just grape juice and not real wine. I feel that one coming on any minute now!
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Ya, that argument is nearly as classic is the explanation that the reason Roman soldiers were able to pluck out whiskers from Jesus is that he hadn't been able to shave for a few days.
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