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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
I don't recall our old pastor ever apologizing for anything he ever said or did. OK, IF he did it was of the "I am sorry if you took what I said the wrong way but. . . " variety of 'apology'.
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My pastors were the same way.
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09-06-2013, 02:19 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Originally Posted by Aquila
My pastors were the same way.
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I'm not listening to a man that behaves in this way, period. When I was a child I behaved as a child, and could be manipulated, when I became a man I put away childish ways... If you continue to sit under this man as an authority for God, you are simply immature and childish.
It is obvious from your (Originalist) post that you know these things, now get up and do as God leads you. You are not required to be stupid to serve God.
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09-06-2013, 08:12 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
I don't recall our old pastor ever apologizing for anything he ever said or did. OK, IF he did it was of the "I am sorry if you took what I said the wrong way but. . . " variety of 'apology'.
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That's the kind I am used to.....
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09-06-2013, 03:12 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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09-06-2013, 08:14 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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praying for you...
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Hey, Sis A! How are you feeling?
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When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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09-06-2013, 08:52 PM
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This thread breaks my heart! It's very honorable that you and your family served the church so faithfully over the years. I pray that either you resolve the situation with your pastor, or find another church where you will feel comfortable and appreciated. In any case, I pray that God directs your path and that you find work.
I know that your patience with everything is wearing thin, but remember God's perfect patience with us. Maybe, just maybe, God is putting you in a place where you can handle his blessings and answers to your prayers.
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09-06-2013, 09:20 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzVdEyHicz8
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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09-07-2013, 02:05 AM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
The thing that strikes me as strange (this is not an indictment of the original poster) is that the pastor thought enough of you to support your move to Mexico, but when you return, he is cold? There's no doubt things you're not sharing, and aren't required to, but do you think there's something you're not considering when thinking through this matter? Was there something between you that might have caused offense?
Either way, the whole situation seems toxic...I'm not sure the answer to my questions above would change my desire to leave.
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09-07-2013, 06:09 AM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus
The thing that strikes me as strange (this is not an indictment of the original poster) is that the pastor thought enough of you to support your move to Mexico, but when you return, he is cold? There's no doubt things you're not sharing, and aren't required to, but do you think there's something you're not considering when thinking through this matter? Was there something between you that might have caused offense?
Either way, the whole situation seems toxic...I'm not sure the answer to my questions above would change my desire to leave.
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We actually had not yet "moved" to Mexico. It was well understood we'd only be there for the Summer and would be returning. Our actual "move" is to come later as we seek which avenue now to take since the UPC no longer sends missionaries there. He well understood this. There was absolutely no misunderstanding on this issue. There is absolutely nothing that I'm withholding here. I have wracked my brain trying to think of what could have caused offense. If there is, should he not care enough to confront me privately? From his message Wednesday night, he clearly holds to the belief that financial struggles stem from a lack of giving, period. He left no room for any consideration that faithful tithe payers also experience financial troubles.
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09-07-2013, 10:29 AM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Originally Posted by Originalist
We actually had not yet "moved" to Mexico. It was well understood we'd only be there for the Summer and would be returning. Our actual "move" is to come later as we seek which avenue now to take since the UPC no longer sends missionaries there. He well understood this. There was absolutely no misunderstanding on this issue. There is absolutely nothing that I'm withholding here. I have wracked my brain trying to think of what could have caused offense. If there is, should he not care enough to confront me privately? From his message Wednesday night, he clearly holds to the belief that financial struggles stem from a lack of giving, period. He left no room for any consideration that faithful tithe payers also experience financial troubles.
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Do they have MLM in Mexico?
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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