Sinful housework - Page 22

shazeep · #1 01-02-2014, 09:06 AM

nice. although it might be two 'steps,' it could also be 3, or 7 for a category, or even 10 or unlimited? As, who can ever approach God?

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Originally Posted by Luke

Awesome so you (like myself) also believe in a second definite work of sanctification.

bingo why isn't this preached? it is how Christ introduced an initiate. Count the cost and Every inch of skin will be stripped from you. And yes, the only real joy you will ever find. how much more powerful this would be rather than cornering someone and recruiting them in fear.

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I see it like this... love demands hatred against that which will destroy the object of love. For example, any parent will have a hatred for crack cocaine if their child is hooked on it. Love will also destroy any individual that endangers the object of love. So even God's hatred, jealousy, and His taking of life is perfectly compatible with Him being love itself.

i've come to see the mechanism of it more like a self-destruction, God not even 'doing' it really, but the inability of sin to even exist around God. i dislike 'love demands hatred' because that is not what Christ demonstrates; and i've a pretty good argument that attributing our emotions, hate, or even love as we understand it, to God, is anthropomorphising (even when done in Scripture) that i'm sure yu'd agree with.

Aquila · #2 01-02-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

nice. although it might be two 'steps,' it could also be 3, or 7 for a category, or even 10 or unlimited? As, who can ever approach God?bingo why isn't this preached? it is how Christ introduced an initiate. Count the cost and Every inch of skin will be stripped from you. And yes, the only real joy you will ever find. how much more powerful this would be rather than cornering someone and recruiting them in fear.
i've come to see the mechanism of it more like a self-destruction, God not even 'doing' it really, but the inability of sin to even exist around God. i dislike 'love demands hatred' because that is not what Christ demonstrates; and i've a pretty good argument that attributing our emotions, hate, or even love as we understand it, to God, is anthropomorphising (even when done in Scripture) that i'm sure yu'd agree with.

It was love and zeal for God that caused Christ to flip tables, was it not?

Love will always hate that which is destroying the object of it's affections.

Aquila · #3 01-02-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

nice. although it might be two 'steps,' it could also be 3, or 7 for a category, or even 10 or unlimited? As, who can ever approach God?bingo why isn't this preached? it is how Christ introduced an initiate. Count the cost and Every inch of skin will be stripped from you. And yes, the only real joy you will ever find. how much more powerful this would be rather than cornering someone and recruiting them in fear.
i've come to see the mechanism of it more like a self-destruction, God not even 'doing' it really, but the inability of sin to even exist around God. i dislike 'love demands hatred' because that is not what Christ demonstrates; and i've a pretty good argument that attributing our emotions, hate, or even love as we understand it, to God, is anthropomorphising (even when done in Scripture) that i'm sure yu'd agree with.

Don't think in terms of mechanism. Think in terms of person. God is a person, not a mechanism. God is an all powerful, intelligent being who is love itself.

Aquila · #4 01-02-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, correct, if by 'completely removed' you mean like with sandpaper, i guess might be an apt metaphor. and i say 'right after' but of course that is up to the individual.

Often the most beautiful works of art were sanded through a long and arduous process. Sanctification is not always instantaneous.

shazeep · #5 01-02-2014, 09:33 AM

You are talking OT, and that was the time of Law; meaning God's Holiness must needs be established? it def contrasts with Christ's message NT. Jesus explicitly said so, A new covenant...

Luke · #6 01-02-2014, 09:41 AM

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You are talking OT, and that was the time of Law; meaning God's Holiness must needs be established? it def contrasts with Christ's message NT. Jesus explicitly said so, A new covenant...

He still refers to Himself as Holy in the NT He also retains the name Holy Ghost not loving Ghost. Also the NT does not cancel the OT rather it fulfills the OT.

Aquila · #7 01-02-2014, 09:46 AM

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He still refers to Himself as Holy in the NT He also retains the name Holy Ghost not loving Ghost. Also the NT does not cancel the OT rather it fulfills the OT.

God is holy. But God isn't holiness itself. Holiness is an attribute. Jealousy is an attribute. With regards to God, love is the essence of His very substance. God "is"... love.

Luke · #8 01-02-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

God is holy. But God isn't holiness itself. Holiness is an attribute. Jealousy is an attribute. With regards to God, love is the essence of His very substance. God "is"... love.

Why can God not be holiness?

Where does the Bible in any more specific language than:

1Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

say that God's nature is love?

Aquila · #9 01-02-2014, 10:28 AM

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Why can God not be holiness?

Because Scipture states that God is holy... yet it doesn't make any ontological statement saying that God "is" holiness itself.

For example, a human being can be loving... but we are not love itself.

Now, Scripture testifies that God "is" love. God is not only loving, but God is love itself. Now, this love is "holy". In that, I agree.

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Where does the Bible in any more specific language than:

1Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

say that God's nature is love?

Saying that God is holy speaks of an attribute. But it doesn't say that God "is" holiness itself.

Besides, the state of being holy only speaks of separateness or distinction from all else. He is indeed otherworldly. He is "holy". But what is the nature of that holiness? The nature of that holiness would flow from the essence of His very substance... which is love itself.

Aquila · #10 01-02-2014, 10:34 AM

If God were not love itself... we could say that God could act out of a motivation other than love... just as human beings often do. However, if we say that God "is" love... then God must be said to only act out of love for His creation. That love is not some wishy washy kind of love either. While God's love can be tender, merciful, and patient, and kind... it can also be fearsome, visiting vengence upon that which endangers His creation... i.e... sin and the wicked who propagate it.

Even Hell serves to satisfy His divine love for creation. Hell confines sin and that which would destroy creation. It also rewards evil for the damage it has done. Friend... God acts out of love... in all things... because He "is" love... He can do none else.