An Apology

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Ladies and gentlemen, here is another of the bitter disgruntled crowd who is bent on misrepresenting and twisting facts to impugn good men. So now we are to believe that it is "typical" behavior for "ultra-con" (read those who believe in/preach/practice old fashioned standards) preachers to be "cheats, liars, adulterers, wife swappers and child abusers." Please.....if one cannot see through such statements and know the spirit behind such drivel then I question their ability to discern anything.

As I have said before, are there some who fit this description? Of course, and those men will answer for their deeds to a righteous God. But to state this as "TYPICAL" for any group is ludicrous.

Where is "Esther?" This post is an attack on my character.

I am not bitter or disgruntled. I am, however, blessed with rational thought. I'm able to discern fact from fiction.

I stand by my previous statements. The labels you just used are a hallmark of abusive cults.

Those of us who point out abuse are labeled bitter and disgruntled. Then, you go for the jugular by stating that I am lying and under some sort of demonic influence.

Seriously, what could be worse than what you've just posted?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Is there anything more abusive than telling a person they are going to Hell? Instilling fear day after day, sermon after sermon?

There is not, it is spiritual terrorism. And it is the power of cults.

[Charnock]

All of those traits exist in all segments of religious society, Praxeas. But it's asinine to pretend that they are anything but typical of the broad UC movement. Truth is, those behaviors are typical. The UCs cannot exist without those weapons.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

All of those traits exist in all segments of religious society, Praxeas. But it's asinine to pretend that they are anything but typical of the broad UC movement. Truth is, those behaviors are typical. The UCs cannot exist without those weapons.

I haven't done a survey of UCs....

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I haven't done a survey of UCs....

And for the record UPCI/Oneness does not have the UC market.

[Charnock]

We could all pretend that the UC brand is unearned. I won't. I'm thankful to be away from the weirdness. Even more thankful that they are going the way of the dino.

[Michael The Disciple]

In my experience the Trinity Pentecostals and Charismatics teach trusting God far more than Oneness Pentecostals.

Two groups I had association with taught trust God for everything not limited to but including healing. They at least seemed like Christians more than the other groups I have been around over the years.

I admire their strength of faith and sincerity. It is not wrong to proclaim that God heals by faith if coupled with obedience and in his timing. If it is we would have to lay that to the charge of Jesus. He and his apostles taught faith in God was our answer.

One day when the mark of the beast comes in and we cannot go to the doctor without selling our soul what will we do?

Many will take the mark to receive treatment. It could be that in such times we would seek out Christians who have learned through fiery trials and hard knocks how to find healing from God.

[Praxeas]

In my experience, they don't

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In my experience, they don't

Well that's the difference in our experience. I know of a few Oneness Pentecostals who have taught faith strongly but not many. But you probably know more about what is out there among Oneness groups than me.

Just speaking from personal experience.

[tv1a]

You'll never find Jesus scaring the hell out if people to get them to follow Him. He said come. Either people followed or they stayed home.