End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You still cannot excuse Junia, despite your desperate attempt at making her a tablewaiter, something the Bible doesn't mention nor does Paul.

As for authority, no man other than my husband has authority over me. That's Bible.

LOL - Good ol' "Apostle" Junia . Did you even bother to read the in-depth exegesis of said passage in the paper by Drs. Wallace & Burer? Quite telling.


And, you still cannot make her a "minister" despite your desperate attempt to make her one - something the Bible doesn't mention, nor does Paul!


See how easy that was ?

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by RJR

They sure did, Sis Alvear. Did you notice the men SERVED (diakoneō) tables? That is the same word used for what the women did in Luke 8:3 (diakoneō) of their substance. The men were not over preaching tables neither was the women preaching their substance. The fact is both men and women served and both were noteworthy in that their names were given. One can serve and be a fellow laborer without being a preacher.

So back again to the subject, there was no female priest in OT, no female apostle chosen by Christ, no qualifications for a female deacon, no qualifications for a female bishop, the woman and not the man was forbidden to teach in the church, was to forbidden to exercise authority over the man.

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father ; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (Revelation 1:4-6 KJV)

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (Revelation 5:9, 10)

Very interesting that these passages that show us a glimpse of the great multitude of the redeemed in heaven, comprised of male and female, talks of being made 'kings and priests' (both governing and spiritual authority), and they say that they will reign on the earth. This really cannot happen if no woman is supposed to have any kind of authority over any man (per the interpretation of the scripture that gets taken out of context from the marriage relationship and forced it onto the body of Christ carte Blanche). According to those folks, these scriptures should say that the men will go be kings and priests and rule on the earth but the women will stay in heaven.

[shazeep]

you continue to make good points, RDP, i must say. i would ask if you feel that the definition of the term Preach has survived intact, as so many of the def's seem to have changed ("hope" etc)--but really, even your antagonists must admit, i think, that they are only nearly synonymous. or was that your adversary saying that? this is getting hard to follow for a drop in...

BTW
Interchangeable or just similar?

hmm

[Sister Alvear]

doubt if some of these would even stop to listen to a woman Prophecying....

[Sister Alvear]

Prophecy can be preaching...

[Aquila]

I will restate that I said in an earlier post for those following this thread:

I'd like to share something to help clarify what I'm saying. I was taught the following about "preaching"...

Preaching: 2782 // khrugma // kerugma // kay'-roog-mah //

from 2784 ; TDNT - 3:714,430; n n

AV - preaching 8; 8

1) that which is proclaimed by a herald or public crier, a
proclamation by herald
2) in the NT the message or proclamation of the heralds of God or
Christ

"Preaching" is therefore a general and all encompassing term for a NT message, or proclamation, that may include any or all of the following:

Prophesy
Teaching
Admonition
Rebuke
Exhortation
Testimony

With this in mind, in a preacher's "preaching" they might prophesy, teach, admonish, rebuke, testify, and/or exhort. Technically one can even give a witness while "preaching", seeing that any one of these elements "witness" to Christ's gospel, power, doctrine, or authority. A preacher's "preaching" might include any one of these elements... or even all of them.

Thus, if a woman can be permitted to "prophesy" in the gathering ...her "prophesying" is indeed a form of "preaching" and is perfectly permissible.

[Sister Alvear]

notice this verse...it tells us something very interesting...Nehemiah 6:7 in which we see clearly what a prophet does. "And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." And also in Jonah 3:1, 2 we can see what God appointed this prophet to do, "And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

notice this verse...it tells us something very interesting...Nehemiah 6:7 in which we see clearly what a prophet does. "And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." And also in Jonah 3:1, 2 we can see what God appointed this prophet to do, "And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

Hmm, I looked and did not see prophetess in that passage.

A woman can prophesy and pray (1 Cor 11:5) but a woman cannot preach. Continue blindly if you desire it will not change what the book says, by the way, Paul knew there would be people who would not listen to him that is why he didn't stop at verses 34 and 35.


1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

[Sister Alvear]

" So it is very clear and plain that preaching God's message is what prophets do and that a prophet is just a preacher in the true sense. So then we see that a prophet, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, is a person that is called by God to declare His mind to the people.

[Sister Alvear]

In the Old Testament he often did this by saying, "Thus saith the LORD," and then declaring almost verbatim what God had given him to say. At other times he would merely paraphrase what God had given him, that is, he would say it in his own words. But in both cases this was true prophecy.