End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Deborah stood as a pillar among both men and women. She still stands as a Godly example for women today.

Yes she does - But she did not exposit from the Scriptures to men.


Poor ol' Deborah - she sure gets a lot of press from "women-preachers" !

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]...But she did not exposit from the Scriptures to men

Pure conjecture. Deborah was a Judge, if i'm not wrong...nope. So, God appoints a judge who cannot pastor. While the offices are certainly separate in our time, to our shame, to even suggest this smacks of heresy in the time when Israel had judges rather than a king. i detect a doctorate lurking back there. i would bet $ on it (it's worthless anyway )

Said the copy-paste Queen of AFF

pure hubris, as is suggesting that any woman could never speak in church. but of course the one lording it over would not want competition, and the tone of your posts has defeated you. you think to codify the spirit, who can raise pastors from rocks. you ignore a time for everything under heaven. You forget Christ's condemnation of the Pastor/Judges of His day. You fail to connect that Love now presides over us, and overrides tradition. If you cannot contend over another believer's Holi-days, how do you imagine that you might even comment upon a pastor bearing fruit. it sinks to sin.

didn't you just say something about "reading between the lines...

and then you proffer dichotomous jokes. really. i am not comfortable with a woman pastor, and am now forced to go and discover my blind spot there. yikes.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Pure conjecture. Deborah was a Judge, if i'm not wrong...nope. So, God appoints a judge who cannot pastor. While the offices are certainly separate in our time, to our shame, to even suggest this smacks of heresy in the time when Israel had judges rather than a king. i detect a doctorate lurking back there. i would bet $ on it (it's worthless anyway )

pure hubris, as is suggesting that any woman could never speak in church. but of course the one lording it over would not want competition, and the tone of your posts has defeated you. you think to codify the spirit, who can raise pastors from rocks. you ignore a time for everything under heaven. You forget Christ's condemnation of the Pastor/Judges of His day. You fail to connect that Love now presides over us, and overrides tradition. If you cannot contend over another believer's Holi-days, how do you imagine that you might even comment upon a pastor bearing fruit. it sinks to sin.

and then you proffer dichotomous jokes. really. i am not comfortable with a woman pastor, and am now forced to go and discover my blind spot there. yikes.

Well, since most of this seems to be the typical mindless babble of AFF - I'll only point out that anti-biblical "tradition" is the very thing I've been attempting to combat for almost 200 pp. now ?


You are making no sense & much of your post above seems incoherent. And just when I was staring to like you a lil' bit too ! Oh well.....

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]Well, since most of this seems to be the typical mindless babble of AFF

unfounded opinion, based merely upon this thread length, i think

Originally Posted by rdp

I'll only point out that anti-biblical "tradition" is the very thing I've been attempting to combat for almost 200 pp. now

yes, your pointer works great. 'anti-Biblical tradition' is your definition; and i cannot say that you are wrong

Originally Posted by rdp

You are making no sense & much of your post above seems incoherent. And just when I was staring to like you a lil' bit too

i've been up for 3 days now, more or less, so this first would not surprise me much; but i tend to post by impression anyway, and some of my best, and worst stuff is 'incoherent.' frankly, that was not meant for you anyway. i am trying to (learn, at least) to love you. you forget that i happen to agree with you; i just think that you are wrong.

Originally Posted by rdp

this is not a "valid translation" (not even with your esoterical "discernment"

then BAM, produce my interpretation in the original; show me the error of my ways, and cease parroting multiple translations of a single interpretation. you went to school for this, and surely remember the wildly different possibilities for translation inherent in such ancient languages. you remind me of an MD, secure in his sacrosanct knowledge, and completely ignorant of the food that might cure me. how long did you spend on those alternate possibilities, so easily discarded by your ostensible betters, Divining direction from some unknown scribe? 2 weeks, same as an MD with nutrition? See that you may have been programmed, too, and might very well be fighting God here. you do not know.

Originally Posted by rdp

Surely each of these linguists should have consulted the AFF crew prior to making their renderings

i do not say that they are any invalid, if all the same; but you bought what they sold you there without question, perhaps. Where is the Word made of no effect? there is your answer. Question. Your Father will not let you fall, brother. stop this pointless chatter now, lecturing those you were sent to love, yet hate. Understand I AM has fulfilled the Law, and cannot break It. Does a thorn bear figs? What season is this? (then how can a female pastor bear fruit?) And see that while you look down, studying, and weary, Everything's season unfolds in front of you, oblivious to your demands.

Now look what you did peace to you.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Pure conjecture. Deborah was a Judge, if i'm not wrong...nope. So, God appoints a judge who cannot pastor. While the offices are certainly separate in our time, to our shame, to even suggest this smacks of heresy in the time when Israel had judges rather than a king. i detect a doctorate lurking back there. i would bet $ on it (it's worthless anyway )

pure hubris, as is suggesting that any woman could never speak in church. but of course the one lording it over would not want competition, and the tone of your posts has defeated you. you think to codify the spirit, who can raise pastors from rocks. you ignore a time for everything under heaven. You forget Christ's condemnation of the Pastor/Judges of His day. You fail to connect that Love now presides over us, and overrides tradition. If you cannot contend over another believer's Holi-days, how do you imagine that you might even comment upon a pastor bearing fruit. it sinks to sin.

and then you proffer dichotomous jokes. really. i am not comfortable with a woman pastor, and am now forced to go and discover my blind spot there. yikes.

You do realize how the Bible explains the "judging" of Deborah right? Scripture makes the point of stating she is a prophetess judge. What is striking is that she is not like the other judges aside from being a woman. The fact that she is a woman tells us two important things:
1) The state at which Israel had fallen, no men were apparently willing to be men. Barak is an object lesson there.
2) That there was a godly woman that God could and did use as a prophetess judge.

Her dealing with Barak gives us insight into the ministration of her judgeship. She told Barak and ostensibly the children of God the mind of God.

This is far different from "preaching" of whom S. Alvear has even admitted she was not a preacher. So to continue to bring up someone, in S. Alvear's case, that is admittedly not a preacher is simply ignorant in context of the thread.

The fact that Deborah was a "prophetess judge" tells us the the kind of judgeship she had. This is something myself, RDP and RJR have steadfastly stood for. Everyone, including women, should seek to serve God and be used in the gifts of the Spirit.

[Sister Alvear]

So Deborah was a shame was Huldah a shame? Was Anna a shame? The Prophetess Who Spoke of Jesus in the temple ....remember her actions affirm Amos 3:7: “Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plans to his servants the prophets.”

[Sister Alvear]

yes women did help him in the ministry he said so....

Philippians 4:3

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Philippians 4:3.


And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

So Deborah was a shame was Huldah a shame? Was Anna a shame? The Prophetess Who Spoke of Jesus in the temple ....remember her actions affirm Amos 3:7: “Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plans to his servants the prophets.”

Did Deborah, Huldah, Anna - or any other woman ever-once exposit from the Scriptures to men? If you think they did, please demonstrate where they did from the biblical data - esp. since you earlier emphasized what the Bible does "not" say:__________?

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

yes women did help him in the ministry he said so....

Philippians 4:3

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Philippians 4:3.


And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

Well, I've explained this to you about 50 times already - so what's one more time ?


The Greek verb translated as "laboured" above is lexically defined as:


συναθλέω, συνάθλω; 1 aorist συνήθλησα; to strive at the same time with another: with a dative commodi (cf. Winer's Grammar, § 31, 4), for something, Philippians 1:21; τίνι ἐν τίνι, together with one in something, Philippians 4:3.


Hmmm, I must have overlooked the part about "preaching-teaching" in the meaning of this verb !? Guess these ladies were equally shipwrecked, in the deep, beheaded, in prison & equally received the same lashes Paul did ??



Besides, for about the 50th time now, the context is not dealing with teaching-preaching to men in the church - but rather witnessing to the lost about Christ - which every one should do.


My wife certainly strives with me in the gospel - but she certainly does not claim to be a "preacher." Remember that bit about "reading between the lines" ?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

yes women did help him in the ministry he said so....

Philippians 4:3

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Philippians 4:3.


And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

I bet you also tell people that support the work in Brazil with their money that they are fellow-laborers with the work there.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I bet you also tell people that support the work in Brazil with their money that they are fellow-laborers with the work there.

Lol...good one!