End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "'Go to My brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God"'" (John 20:17), was He not affirming her as a witness of the gospel? Was He not commissioning her both to go and to speak for Him? Why then do we deny women the opportunity to carry this message?

Women often witnessed the wonderful acts of God, just as the passage quoted in the thread title. However, witnessing and preaching is indeed distinguished in scripture. Witnessing is something the Holy Ghost empowers all believers to do, preaching has its qualifications even for the believer.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "'Go to My brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God"'" (John 20:17), was He not affirming her as a witness of the gospel? Was He not commissioning her both to go and to speak for Him? Why then do we deny women the opportunity to carry this message?

I always thought that once you received the Holy Ghost your were a witness for Jesus and should testify to the whole world. My Grandmother would tell everybody she met about Jesus.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "'Go to My brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God"'" (John 20:17), was He not affirming her as a witness of the gospel? Was He not commissioning her both to go and to speak for Him? Why then do we deny women the opportunity to carry this message?

Stupid post... This has been said so many times... The only way to continue this line of reasoning is to ignore the multitudes of witnesses against it. Kinda like trying to prove women preachers - only by ignoring scriptural principles and clear biblical mandates can it be argued. Tell a big enough lie long enough and someone somewhere might believe it...

Originally Posted by Pliny

This fundamental lack of knowledge has been seen consistently over and over in spite of the many times it has been said that women should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit yet still there remains a stubborn willful ignorance to the facts. We even saw earlier where she made up her own facts that are patently false - the idea that Paul would never quote from the Talmud or the writer of Corinthians was quoting the Talmud (something to that effect) is patently false because the Talmud, specifically the Mishna was not began until the end of the 2nd century or the early third century.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...50#post1301550

Originally Posted by Pliny

One more time. All should witness, all should seek to be used of God and everyone has a place in the kingdom of God. Men are not any better than women and there is nothing more beautiful than a godly woman. Likewise, there is nothing more ugly than a woman trying to be a man or vice versa. There is a created order. Man was created first. The woman was deceived not the man. These are the arguments of Paul. The Elders, men, are tasked with feeding the flock of God - a bishop must be the husband of one wife.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...76#post1301576

Originally Posted by Pliny

Object lesson once again. Everyone should be encouraged to witness and be used in the gifts of the Spirit. Only men, and few of them, are called to be bishops/elders feeding the flock of God.

You just cannot seem to understand fundamental concepts which is an object lesson as to why women should not teach or preach - to act as bishops/elders.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...77#post1301577

Originally Posted by Pliny

Once again...
Everyone should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit. The leading of the church, the teaching and preaching - feeding God's flock is the role of a man. The fact that so many women cannot understand that basic fundamental fact is an object lesson in why women should not be allowed to do so. The feeding of the flock is to the elders (Acts 20:17; 28). These elders are the bishops that were the husbands of one wife.

To take this logic would mean that no one needs a shepherd because they can all teach some body some thing. It is this spirit precisely that Got Miriam and Aaron into trouble.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...79#post1301579

[Sister Alvear]

The prophet Joel predicted that one day the Holy Spirit would be poured out on the church and, as a result, our "'sons and daughters [would] prophesy'" (Joel 2:28, emphasis added). This passage clearly indicates that when the New Testament age began, both men and women would be empowered and commissioned to carry the message of the gospel to the world. God's Holy Spirit would no longer rest simply on isolated individuals as was the case under the old covenant.

In the Pentecostal age, all believers, regardless of gender, ethnicity or social status, would have full access to the graces of the Spirit and would speak the utte rances of God.

If preaching were to have been limited to men only, Joel would not have mentioned daughters in his prediction. He would have said instead, "In the last days, I will pour out My Spirit, and your sons will prophesy while your daughters serve quietly in the background and pray for the men." Copied

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The prophet Joel predicted that one day the Holy Spirit would be poured out on the church and, as a result, our "'sons and daughters [would] prophesy'" (Joel 2:28, emphasis added). This passage clearly indicates that when the New Testament age began, both men and women would be empowered and commissioned to carry the message of the gospel to the world. God's Holy Spirit would no longer rest simply on isolated individuals as was the case under the old covenant.

In the Pentecostal age, all believers, regardless of gender, ethnicity or social status, would have full access to the graces of the Spirit and would speak the utte rances of God.

If preaching were to have been limited to men only, Joel would not have mentioned daughters in his prediction. He would have said instead, "In the last days, I will pour out My Spirit, and your sons will prophesy while your daughters serve quietly in the background and pray for the men." Copied

Still looking for the injunction for them to preach.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by RJR

Still looking for the injunction for them to preach.

and.... still looking for the injunction "women, thou shalt not preach"

Neither one is there....

[RJR]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

and.... still looking for the injunction "women, thou shalt not preach"

Neither one is there....

Glad you asked!

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

As Sis Alvear likes to use Strongs...

A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, that is, utter words: - preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter.

We know by the usage of speak in verse 28 it was not complete silence, it was how they were or were not meant to speak.

This is where the same term is translated preach in other passages.


preach, 1

Act 16:6

preaching, 1

Act 11:19

preached, 4

Mar 2:2, Act 8:25, Act 13:42, Act 14:25

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

and.... still looking for the injunction "women, thou shalt not preach"

Neither one is there....

Nope. Wrong one RJR. Still looking for the one "woman thou shalt not preach"

[RJR]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Nope. Wrong one RJR. Still looking for the one "woman thou shalt not preach"

Yes, I have noticed how selective you can be, since you dislike 1 Cor 14:34-35 lets try this passage.

1Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Does this apply only to a married woman and her husband in the home?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Nope. Wrong one RJR. Still looking for the one "woman thou shalt not preach"

You know, I know you guys take this serious, and of course, I know the issue is a serious one.

But really... doesn't anyone see that what we are really on is a battle of personal interpretation over a couple of scriptures where culture, translation, and interpretation surely plays a huge role in its concept?

Can't you guys accept that some understand the passages differently than you? You surely don't have a "thou shalt" or "thou shalt not" in clear verbiage, instead having only proof for your concept using translations that might have one word in the definition that speaks to your case.

So... anyway, my point in all this is just to say.... it's become comical. That's all.