End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

So a woman can prophecy but cannot give a sermon...well that is the most inconsistent thing I have ever heard of in my life...A sermon is supposed to be something God's gives and prophecy is something God gives...both are spoken in the church...I can teach men a song but cannot teach a scripture that tells them how to be saved? Many of our songs are scriptures and chapters of the Bible...
I can tell a man how to be saved under a shade tree but cannot tell him how to be saved behind a pulpit...I can go to the leper colony and sit beside the footless and handless and tell them the story of Jesus but if I decide to roll them into a room and talk to them all at one time I cannot do it....lol...

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

So a woman can prophecy but cannot give a sermon...well that is the most inconsistent thing I have ever heard of in my life...A sermon is supposed to be something God's gives and prophecy is something God gives...both are spoken in the church...I can teach men a song but cannot teach a scripture that tells them how to be saved? Many of our songs are scriptures and chapters of the Bible...
I can tell a man how to be saved under a shade tree but cannot tell him how to be saved behind a pulpit...I can go to the leper colony and sit beside the footless and handless and tell them the story of Jesus but if I decide to roll them into a room and talk to them all at one time I cannot do it....lol...

Quite an irony isn't it, Sister!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

So a woman can prophecy but cannot give a sermon...well that is the most inconsistent thing I have ever heard of in my life...A sermon is supposed to be something God's gives and prophecy is something God gives...both are spoken in the church...I can teach men a song but cannot teach a scripture that tells them how to be saved? Many of our songs are scriptures and chapters of the Bible...
I can tell a man how to be saved under a shade tree but cannot tell him how to be saved behind a pulpit...I can go to the leper colony and sit beside the footless and handless and tell them the story of Jesus but if I decide to roll them into a room and talk to them all at one time I cannot do it....lol...

Speaking of "inconsistent," y'all expect me to sit here all day & night & respond to your copy-paste jobs (umm, which I've already done BTW) - all the while y'all completely ignore I Timothy 2.11-3.15 - but here, since we're copying & pasting, let's try it again:

"Gune and aner are words which mean 'adult female' and 'adult male' in their unmarked meanings. Only if there are sufficient contextual clues that husband and wife are in view do the words mean 'wife' and 'husband.' The definite article or 'idios' (one's own) or a possessive pronoun is required to show that husband and wife are in the text. None of these things occur in 1 Tim 2. The article occurs in 1 Cor 11, but only because it is syntactically required by the construction. Both passages are clearly talking about the Christian community in worship, which would of course involve single adults and married couples. Take a look at other passages that are clearly speaking about husband and wife--e.g., Eph 5, 1 Peter 3--and you'll see that they use these signals to note that husband and wife are in view."


Foremost Greek Linguist & Papyrologist, Dr. Daniel Wallace in personal email.


Sorry Sister, respectfully, you can ignore this all you wish, but the Bible clearly militates against "women preachers" in the church & you, nor any one else, will ever produce a Scripture demonstrating where a women expounds from the Scriptures to a congregation in either the OT or NT.

[rdp]

Since we're being told that I Timothy 2 is discussing the home life - guess women should start dressing "in modest apparel" (2.9) when they shower !


And, only single women can "preach" since this is describing a supposed "wife not instructing her husband" ?


Guess the gender roles automatically flop once church begins ?? Strange that Paul used the home-order as the reflection of the church-order: "(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?)"


Sorry, that dodge won't work either ! Check back in later!

[Sister Alvear]

I just got in and am fixing to go teach Bible school for a couple hours in a steaming hot building ...kinda do wish it was under the tree tonight....If I have strenth I will post after Bible School if not only tomorrow...

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I just got in and am fixing to go teach Bible school for a couple hours in a steaming hot building ...kinda do wish it was under the tree tonight....If I have strenth I will post after Bible School if not only tomorrow...

I wish I could send you a blast of cold air! We've got lots to go around here!

[Sister Alvear]

"Prophecy" has at least verbal two connotations in the Bible - fore-telling and forth-telling. Merriam-Webster defines the verb thusly:

V| to utter by or as if by divine inspiration; to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge; to give instruction in religious matters {preach}
Foretelling

Foretelling is saying what the future will be or hold before it happens. This is the sense in which most people I know think of "prophecy" - the OT predictions of the Messiah, Jesus' warnings against Jerusalem, John's Revelation, Daniel's interpretation of the king's dream of the statue, etc.

Forthtelling

Forthtelling is proclaiming truth (or news). It is likely that Baalam was hired to do this second kind of prophesying by Balak (king of the Moabites).

[KeptByTheWord]

Let's talk about the 5-fold ministry then...

Ephesians 4:11-12 "And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists; and some pastors, and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ."

Two things to note about this passage:
1. "Preachers" are not listed as part of the 5-fold ministry
2. Neither are "missionaries" listed as part of the 5-fold ministry.

However, one more thing to note about this passage is the word evangelist: Who is an evangelist? Who can be an evangelist? No teaching on this particular ministry is given by Paul.

As defined by Webster:
e·van·ge·list
iˈvanjəlist/Submit
noun
noun: evangelist; plural noun: evangelists
1. a person who seeks to convert others to the Christian faith, esp. by public preaching.
synonyms: preacher, missionary, gospeler, proselytizer, crusader; More
a layperson engaged in Christian missionary work.
a zealous advocate of something.
"he is an evangelist of junk bonds"
2. the writer of one of the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John).
"St. John the Evangelist"

I would submit to you to the readers of this post, that an evangelist would fall into the category of what we call missionary work today, which is the 1st definition above, "a person who seeks to convert others to the Christian faith, esp. by public preaching."

Jesus said in Luke 24:47-49 "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high."

Women have received the power from on high, as have men, and are well able, and equipped to preach the gospel as an evangelist, whether it be from a platform, or under a tree, in a leper colony, or in a stadium. If they are preaching the gospel, and not trying to usurp the authority of men, they are obeying the great commission of Jesus to all believers.

Conclusion: Anyone who preaches the gospel is evangelizing, and an evangelist is found in the 5-fold ministry. Therefore, a woman can do the work of an evangelist, which is preaching the gospel of Jesus, as can ANYONE who has received power from on high.

[Sister Alvear]

My Bible says these exact words:Não permito, porém, que a mulher ensine, nem use de autoridade sobre o marido, mas que esteja em silêncio.
1 Timóteo 2:12
Translation..I do not permit a women to teach or use authority over her husband but to be in silence....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

My Bible says these exact words:Não permito, porém, que a mulher ensine, nem use de autoridade sobre o marido, mas que esteja em silêncio.
1 Timóteo 2:12
Translation..I do not permit a women to teach or use authority over her husband but to be in silence....

So, only single women can "preach" ??


Here is the actual Greek text, along with exact morphology (the Bible was not originally written in "Portugese," but rather Koine' Greek): http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/2-12.htm.


And here is the precise Greek wording: διδάσκειν δὲ γυναικὶ οὐκ ἐπιτρέπω, οὐδὲ αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός, ἀλλ’ εἶναι ἐν ἡσυχίᾳ.