End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

I KNOW BY HEART ALL OF RDP'S POSITIONS AND HIS QUESTIONS...HOWEVER HE CANNOT ANSWER WHY THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT PROPHECY IS THE GIFT WE SHOULD DESIRE MOST...THE GIFT TO BE USED IN THE CHURCH....WHERE MAN AND WOMEN ARE PRESENT AND PROPHECY IS “edification, exhortation and comfort.” TO WHO? TO THE CHURCH BODY..."On the simplest level, a prophet is one who speaks words from God that build people up: He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort." —1 Corinthians 14:3...he word edify is related to the word edifice, which is another word for “a building.” The church is God’s building. His building (His edifice) is built up through prophecy.

How do prophetic words build up the church? By bringing exhortation and comfort to the individual people who make up the church.

Exhortation is the Greek word paraklesis, which means "solace, entreaty, consolation, admonition or comfort.

A WOMAN PROPHET...PROPHETESS....IS CALLED TO DO THE SAME THING A MAN PROPHET DOES FOR THE GIFT IS THE SAME...THE REASON FOR THE GIFT IS THE SAME AND THE PURPOSE OF THE GIFT IS THE SAME....TO EDIFY...TO EXHORT AND TO CONFORT THE CHURCH...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I KNOW BY HEART ALL OF RDP'S POSITIONS AND HIS QUESTIONS...HOWEVER HE CANNOT ANSWER WHY THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT PROPHECY IS THE GIFT WE SHOULD DESIRE MOST...THE GIFT TO BE USED IN THE CHURCH....WHERE MAN AND WOMEN ARE PRESENT AND PROPHECY IS “edification, exhortation and comfort.” TO WHO? TO THE CHURCH BODY..."On the simplest level, a prophet is one who speaks words from God that build people up: He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort." —1 Corinthians 14:3...he word edify is related to the word edifice, which is another word for “a building.” The church is God’s building. His building (His edifice) is built up through prophecy.

How do prophetic words build up the church? By bringing exhortation and comfort to the individual people who make up the church.

Exhortation is the Greek word paraklesis, which means "solace, entreaty, consolation, admonition or comfort.

A WOMAN PROPHET...PROPHETESS....IS CALLED TO DO THE SAME THING A MAN PROPHET DOES FOR THE GIFT IS THE SAME...THE REASON FOR THE GIFT IS THE SAME AND THE PURPOSE OF THE GIFT IS THE SAME....TO EDIFY...TO EXHORT AND TO CONFORT THE CHURCH...

Likewise, I know your arguments before you copy-paste them & can tell you what you're going to say before you say it (Have heard it for eons now & it's false).


Here, the answer is simple (I've done much-o research into I Cor. 12-14 over the years): Prophecy is the most desirable gift becasue it is understood in the church in opposition to tongues without an interpretation.


Do you think this somehow invalidates Paul's clear teachings in Chp. 14.34 or I Timothy 2.11-3.15? Are you thinking this somehow allows for "women-preachers" in the set-in office of the 5-fold ministry? Would love to know how or why FROM THE BIBLE ITSELF ??

[Sister Alvear]

INTERESTING IS JUDIASM 101...

A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community.

The Hebrew word for a prophet, navi (Nun-Beit-Yod-Alef) comes from the term niv sefatayim meaning "fruit of the lips," which emphasizes the prophet's role as a speaker.

The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000. But most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in scripture. Scripture identifies only 55 prophets of Israel.

A prophet is not necessarily a man. Scripture records the stories of seven female prophets, listed below, and the Talmud reports that Sarah's prophetic ability was superior to Abraham's.

A prophet is not necessarily a Jew. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Balaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22), although they were not as elevated as the prophets of Israel (as the story of Balaam demonstrates). And some of the prophets, such as Jonah, were sent on missions to speak to the gentiles.

According to some views, prophecy is not a gift that is arbitrarily conferred upon people; rather, it is the culmination of a person's spiritual and ethical development. When a person reaches a sufficient level of spiritual and ethical achievement, the Shechinah (Divine Spirit) comes to rest upon him or her. Likewise, the gift of prophecy leaves the person if that person lapses from his or her spiritual and ethical perfection.

The greatest of the prophets was Moses. It is said that Moses saw all that all of the other prophets combined saw, and more. Moses saw the whole of the Torah, including the Prophets and the Writings that were written hundreds of years later. All subsequent prophecy was merely an expression of what Moses had already seen. Thus, it is taught that nothing in the Prophets or the Writings can be in conflict with Moses' writings, because Moses saw it all in advance.

The Talmud states that the writings of the prophets will not be necessary in the World to Come, because in that day, all people will be mentally, spiritually and ethically perfect, and all will have the gift of prophecy.

OF course I do not agrewe with everything but it is interesting that even Judaism tells us a prophet was a spokeman for God then turns around and says there were women prophets...

In other words women that spoke in the place of God...yes, dear ones wise people heard and obeyed what women prophets said....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

INTERESTING IS JUDIASM 101...

A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community.

The Hebrew word for a prophet, navi (Nun-Beit-Yod-Alef) comes from the term niv sefatayim meaning "fruit of the lips," which emphasizes the prophet's role as a speaker.

The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000. But most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in scripture. Scripture identifies only 55 prophets of Israel.

A prophet is not necessarily a man. Scripture records the stories of seven female prophets, listed below, and the Talmud reports that Sarah's prophetic ability was superior to Abraham's.

A prophet is not necessarily a Jew. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Balaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22), although they were not as elevated as the prophets of Israel (as the story of Balaam demonstrates). And some of the prophets, such as Jonah, were sent on missions to speak to the gentiles.

According to some views, prophecy is not a gift that is arbitrarily conferred upon people; rather, it is the culmination of a person's spiritual and ethical development. When a person reaches a sufficient level of spiritual and ethical achievement, the Shechinah (Divine Spirit) comes to rest upon him or her. Likewise, the gift of prophecy leaves the person if that person lapses from his or her spiritual and ethical perfection.

The greatest of the prophets was Moses. It is said that Moses saw all that all of the other prophets combined saw, and more. Moses saw the whole of the Torah, including the Prophets and the Writings that were written hundreds of years later. All subsequent prophecy was merely an expression of what Moses had already seen. Thus, it is taught that nothing in the Prophets or the Writings can be in conflict with Moses' writings, because Moses saw it all in advance.

The Talmud states that the writings of the prophets will not be necessary in the World to Come, because in that day, all people will be mentally, spiritually and ethically perfect, and all will have the gift of prophecy.

OF course I do not agrewe with everything but it is interesting that even Judaism tells us a prophet was a spokeman for God then turns around and says there were women prophets...

In other words women that spoke in the place of God...yes, dear ones wise people heard and obeyed what women prophets said....

And, specifically which of the "women prophets" (not sure how that works ?) exhorted from the Scriptures to a congregation:____________? Been waiting on that blank to be filled out for many-many years now !

[Sister Alvear]

The Hebrew word translated prophecy is "naba," which means in its root form to flow forth, implying a freely flowing word that comes very smoothly, without any effort on the speaker's part. The Greek root word for prophecy "propheteuo" means to speak for another, indicating that the speaker is merely a messenger, and that the authority for the message is from another source.

[Sister Alvear]

Nehemiah 6:7 in which we see clearly what a prophet does. "And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." And also in Jonah 3:1, 2 we can see what God appointed this prophet to do, "And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

[Sister Alvear]

" So it is very clear and plain that preaching God's message is what prophets do and that a prophet is just a preacher in the true sense. So then we see that a prophet, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, is a person that is called by God to declare His mind to the people

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

" So it is very clear and plain that preaching God's message is what prophets do and that a prophet is just a preacher in the true sense. So then we see that a prophet, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, is a person that is called by God to declare His mind to the people

Here we meet in agreement .


Yes, women can indeed declare God's Mind in prophetical genre, but biblical prophesy has never been a sermon from the Scriptures, but rather a spontaneous & lofty breaking-forth in primarily foretelling God's intents in a persons life.


In this strict sense we can say that women can "preach" per-se, but not in the sense of taking a text & expositing to men (or spittin' & sputterin' like a wild-comanche {SP?}). When said women does this she is outside of her God-allotted position & so is the pastor who allows her to do so - hence, "Call me gone" .

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

Here we meet in agreement .


Yes, women can indeed declare God's Mind in prophetical genre, but biblical prophesy has never been a sermon from the Scriptures, but rather a spontaneous & lofty breaking-forth in primarily foretelling God's intents in a persons life.


In this strict sense we can say that women can "preach" per-se, but not in the sense of taking a text & expositing to men (or spittin' & sputterin' like a wild-comanche {SP?}). When said women does this she is outside of her God-allotted position & so is the pastor who allows her to do so - hence, "Call me gone" .

YOUR ESACT WORDS///women can indeed declare God's Mind in prophetical genre...

I don't mean to brag and in no way mean it to sound that way...Bit I don't remember a time that I have got up to give God's message that it was not something he gave me from HIS mind...
Deut. 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." --- 1 Timothy 2:7.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It takes all of God’s word to make us complete. If God did not want us to teach and obey certain portions of His word, He would not have given it to us.

I Thessalonians 2:13: "For in hearing us, you gave such heed, as if not hearing men, but as if God Himself were exhorting you."

We must all pray for fresh anointings...words directly from God each time we stand before the people...God has something to say in every service.

Scripture teaches us that the gifts and callings of God are given to all members of the body of Christ by the Holy Ghost (Rom. 12:3-8; I Cor. 12:4-11; Eph. 4:7-11; I Pet. 4:10-11). None of these gifts or offices is the exclusive prerogative of men.

God did not say thisj is for one but not the other....We are all one in Christ Jesus...and we are all subject to one another. Praying and prophesying were before the general body of Christ, including the men and were to be judged by the church.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

YOUR ESACT WORDS///women can indeed declare God's Mind in prophetical genre...

I don't mean to brag and in no way mean it to sound that way...Bit I don't remember a time that I have got up to give God's message that it was not something he gave me from HIS mind...
Deut. 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." --- 1 Timothy 2:7.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It takes all of God’s word to make us complete. If God did not want us to teach and obey certain portions of His word, He would not have given it to us.

I Thessalonians 2:13: "For in hearing us, you gave such heed, as if not hearing men, but as if God Himself were exhorting you."

We must all pray for fresh anointings...words directly from God each time we stand before the people...God has something to say in every service.

Scripture teaches us that the gifts and callings of God are given to all members of the body of Christ by the Holy Ghost (Rom. 12:3-8; I Cor. 12:4-11; Eph. 4:7-11; I Pet. 4:10-11). None of these gifts or offices is the exclusive prerogative of men.

God did not say thisj is for one but not the other....We are all one in Christ Jesus...and we are all subject to one another. Praying and prophesying were before the general body of Christ, including the men and were to be judged by the church.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

And yet you forgot to quote the rest of my "exact words":

"But biblical prophesy has never been a sermon from the Scriptures, but rather a spontaneous & lofty breaking-forth in primarily foretelling God's intents in a persons life.


"In this strict sense we can say that women can 'preach' per-se, but not in the sense of taking a text & expositing to men (or spittin' & sputterin' like a wild-comanche {SP?}). When said women does this she is outside of her God-allotted position & so is the pastor who allows her to do so - hence, "Call me gone" .