End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

Just got in from the doctor...and have just a minute...no I personally do not believe the Samaritan lady was a preacher however she did what few preachers have ever done! Hats off to the unknown women who went and brought a people to see Jesus....

She no doubt was well known in her city and I can see her in my minds eye, tunning through the cobblestone streets saying to to the top of her voice...COME SEE A MAN.... OH! for more like her....

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just got in from the doctor...and have just a minute...no I personally do not believe the Samaritan lady was a preacher however she did what few preachers have ever done! Hats off to the unknown women who went and brought a people to see Jesus....

She no doubt was well known in her city and I can see her in my minds eye, tunning through the cobblestone streets saying to to the top of her voice...COME SEE A MAN.... OH! for more like her....

Thank you. I agree.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just got in from the doctor...and have just a minute...no I personally do not believe the Samaritan lady was a preacher however she did what few preachers have ever done! Hats off to the unknown women who went and brought a people to see Jesus....

She no doubt was well known in her city and I can see her in my minds eye, tunning through the cobblestone streets saying to to the top of her voice...COME SEE A MAN.... OH! for more like her....

I agree whole-heartedly !

[Sister Alvear]

And if the womam is going to be saved in child bearing I would hope the child would belong to her husband...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

And if the womam is going to be saved in child bearing I would hope the child would belong to her husband...

I would hope the mother was a "woman" just like the text states .

[Sister Alvear]

and once again...for our dear brother..
Paul was not teaching that women in general are to submit to men in general (Col 3:18). Paul was speaking about a wife not taking by force the leadership role over her husband.
It would be impossible for a woman to submit to every man...that would be total confusion. How could a woman submit to every man? There is balance in everything.

I submit to my husband...that is what the bible teaches me to do.

We all know that a woman is not to rule her husband...
That is the point Paul was specifying, that a woman should not "usurp authority over the man" (1Ti 2:12,} . This singles out an individual man, not mankind. It refers to a wife not being her husband's boss. Paul was saying that a wife is to let the husband take the leadership role in the church (Eph 5:22-24). She is to let her husband speak.

The word "usurp" in the next verse further strengthens this interpretation. "Usurp" means, "to seize and hold...by force or without legal authority" (American Heritage Dictionary). Paul was talking against a woman lording over her husband. We've all seen boisterous women with little mousy husbands. That's what Paul was speaking against.

This is similar to what Paul went on to say about the men in the next chapter. He told Timothy not to make a man a bishop who couldn't rule his own house. Likewise, he was saying that a woman should not speak in the church if she's trying to usurp her husband's authority. If a man's home isn't in order, he shouldn't minister, and if a woman's husband isn't in agreement with her saying something, she should be quiet.

The reason for Paul's instruction about the wife keeping quiet was to keep her from usurping authority over her husband. This does not forbid women to speak in the church if their husbands are in agreement.

Paul spoke of women praying and prophesying in the church services (1Co 11:5). Priscilla instructed Apollos (Ac 18:26), and Paul instructed the older women to teach the younger women (Tit 2:3-4). It appears that Paul did not forbid women to teach under appropriate circumstances.

In 1Ti 2:13-15, Paul continued his argument, using Adam and Eve as an example of a husband-and-wife relationship. This is not a "men are superior to women" passage of Scripture but a "husbands are the head of their wives" (Eph 5:23) passage.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

and once again...for our dear brother..
Paul was not teaching that women in general are to submit to men in general (Col 3:18). Paul was speaking about a wife not taking by force the leadership role over her husband.
It would be impossible for a woman to submit to every man...that would be total confusion. How could a woman submit to every man? There is balance in everything.

I submit to my husband...that is what the bible teaches me to do.

We all know that a woman is not to rule her husband...
That is the point Paul was specifying, that a woman should not "usurp authority over the man" (1Ti 2:12,} . This singles out an individual man, not mankind. It refers to a wife not being her husband's boss. Paul was saying that a wife is to let the husband take the leadership role in the church (Eph 5:22-24). She is to let her husband speak.

The word "usurp" in the next verse further strengthens this interpretation. "Usurp" means, "to seize and hold...by force or without legal authority" (American Heritage Dictionary). Paul was talking against a woman lording over her husband. We've all seen boisterous women with little mousy husbands. That's what Paul was speaking against.

This is similar to what Paul went on to say about the men in the next chapter. He told Timothy not to make a man a bishop who couldn't rule his own house. Likewise, he was saying that a woman should not speak in the church if she's trying to usurp her husband's authority. If a man's home isn't in order, he shouldn't minister, and if a woman's husband isn't in agreement with her saying something, she should be quiet.

The reason for Paul's instruction about the wife keeping quiet was to keep her from usurping authority over her husband. This does not forbid women to speak in the church if their husbands are in agreement.

Paul spoke of women praying and prophesying in the church services (1Co 11:5). Priscilla instructed Apollos (Ac 18:26), and Paul instructed the older women to teach the younger women (Tit 2:3-4). It appears that Paul did not forbid women to teach under appropriate circumstances.

In 1Ti 2:13-15, Paul continued his argument, using Adam and Eve as an example of a husband-and-wife relationship. This is not a "men are superior to women" passage of Scripture but a "husbands are the head of their wives" (Eph 5:23) passage.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

ya, that was very well put, SA. i have gotten in the habit of studying every translation of a passage that i can find, and i have to say that you have captured the essence, it seems to me.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

and once again...for our dear brother..
Paul was not teaching that women in general are to submit to men in general (Col 3:18). Paul was speaking about a wife not taking by force the leadership role over her husband.
It would be impossible for a woman to submit to every man...that would be total confusion. How could a woman submit to every man? There is balance in everything.

I submit to my husband...that is what the bible teaches me to do.

We all know that a woman is not to rule her husband...
That is the point Paul was specifying, that a woman should not "usurp authority over the man" (1Ti 2:12,} . This singles out an individual man, not mankind. It refers to a wife not being her husband's boss. Paul was saying that a wife is to let the husband take the leadership role in the church (Eph 5:22-24). She is to let her husband speak.

The word "usurp" in the next verse further strengthens this interpretation. "Usurp" means, "to seize and hold...by force or without legal authority" (American Heritage Dictionary). Paul was talking against a woman lording over her husband. We've all seen boisterous women with little mousy husbands. That's what Paul was speaking against.

This is similar to what Paul went on to say about the men in the next chapter. He told Timothy not to make a man a bishop who couldn't rule his own house. Likewise, he was saying that a woman should not speak in the church if she's trying to usurp her husband's authority. If a man's home isn't in order, he shouldn't minister, and if a woman's husband isn't in agreement with her saying something, she should be quiet.

The reason for Paul's instruction about the wife keeping quiet was to keep her from usurping authority over her husband. This does not forbid women to speak in the church if their husbands are in agreement.

Paul spoke of women praying and prophesying in the church services (1Co 11:5). Priscilla instructed Apollos (Ac 18:26), and Paul instructed the older women to teach the younger women (Tit 2:3-4). It appears that Paul did not forbid women to teach under appropriate circumstances.

In 1Ti 2:13-15, Paul continued his argument, using Adam and Eve as an example of a husband-and-wife relationship. This is not a "men are superior to women" passage of Scripture but a "husbands are the head of their wives" (Eph 5:23) passage.

No Sis. Alvear, I Timothy 2.11-3.15 is not talking "about a wife not taking by force the leadership role over her husband" - It is forbidding women from teaching & preaching to men in the church - just like it plainly says.


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[Sister Alvear]

and really I do not think she will be saved in childbearing refers to women in general but refere to Mary...but that is just a personal opinion....just for something for us to think about...