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05-17-2014, 08:38 AM
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Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/...manifestations
Bill Johnson senior pastor of Bethel in Redding CA... Talks abut and shows video of a "glory cloud".
Any thoughts?
I'm skeptical.
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05-17-2014, 08:58 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
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05-17-2014, 09:14 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
Skeptical too. Certainly something was going on, as you could see in the video that people had their phones out trying to capture it.
I have heard through the years that people have seen a "glory" cloud hovering over a worship service at its height, but those stories were about worship services that were held at camp meetings with a lot of people moving around, and could have been created by dust.
I don't doubt that God can manifest, and do things outside our natural realm of reasoning, and understanding. However, to follow those signs and wonders is dangerous. That is where the problem lies. When people begin to follow the signs and wonders, instead of Jesus, that is where the road forks.
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05-17-2014, 09:21 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
The possibilities of this being a "natural" or a "staged" phenomenon is very very high, and easily duplicated IMO.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-17-2014, 09:34 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
I am skeptical of anything from Redding, CA. They focus too much on supernatural things that the enemy can just as easily do, or be fleshly engineered.
But I pastured a church where in the past, before my pastorate, fire trucks came and the firemen ran into e building after a reported sighting of flames on the roof. They ran in to find a rockin Holy Ghost worship service taking place.
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05-17-2014, 10:33 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
It is interesting to note that in the days of Jesus and the apostles, God never chose to have feathers come down or gold or jewels. I guess he felt things like healings, casting out demons and feeding large groups of people were more important. He did things that meant something.
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05-17-2014, 11:12 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
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It is interesting to note that in the days of Jesus and the apostles, God never chose to have feathers come down or gold or jewels. I guess he felt things like healings, casting out demons and feeding large groups of people were more important. He did things that meant something.
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Exactly. Things that had a practical purpose.
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05-17-2014, 11:21 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
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It is interesting to note that in the days of Jesus and the apostles, God never chose to have feathers come down or gold or jewels. I guess he felt things like healings, casting out demons and feeding large groups of people were more important. He did things that meant something.
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Exactly! We've turned the power of God into sensationalism as though we live in a Disney movie. Ridiculous.
I believe in the supernatural. I believe we need to allow God to be "super" and us be "natural".
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05-17-2014, 11:43 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
Amen. God can do the supernatural, but chicken feathers and glitter, fog machines, dust or humidity are such flimsy claims.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-17-2014, 11:53 AM
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Re: Glory Clouds And Gold, or Fog and Glitter?
I am skeptical of feathers falling, gold dust, etc ...
However, I can attest to the fact of an actual physical smoky cloud covering the altar when several were receiving the Holy Ghost. The church was fairly small - probably no more than 75 were in that service. Approximately 7 or 8 young people / children and some adults were being filled with the Holy Ghost - the area around the altar was actually smoky - there was nothing to explain it - other than the presence of God being so strong. This was a looooooooooong time before fog machines were used in churches. Back in the 60's. (I received the Holy Ghost the next night - no glory cloud that night.) 
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