Homosexuality question

[Praxeas]

Did anyone other than me actually answer the question?

[ixoye_val69]

Originally Posted by houston

He's been looking for a church. He's been praying. He knows that it is wrong. He wants to know why? He has always been gay. Everyone in his life knows he's gay. He wants to know why he can't remain gay and serve God, why he can't praise The Lord and be gay? He asked why he can't love a man.

He hasn't disagreed that it's wrong. He wants to know why it's wrong.

First of all...the fact that he is asking questions and wanting to find a church is a good thing. I think we as Christians tend to think of Homosexuality as a sin that is worse than any other. The fact is sin is sin. I never realized how hard it really is to try to explain why a sin is a sin without quoting the Bible. I also believe that if he wants to serve God then there is no reason why you should have to find a reason why he cannot love a man and serve God outside of the Bible. I mean if he is serious about wanting to serve God then he has to be willing to live by God's standards and not what society says is ok to do. That is not always easy...really it is rarely easy. I also do not believe we have to be perfect before coming to Him. It is the work of God that will convict and bring about the change in him. If he was just a homosexual who had no desire to serve or believe in God then I can see why you would want an explanation outside of the Bible of why it is wrong.

I can relate somewhat to what you are dealing with. My ex husband and I (I am remarried now) were childhood friends and when we got older we fell in love and got married. We were married almost 7 years and he wanted to mentor a man who claimed to be a gay Christian. I begged him to really pray about it because I believed he could get sucked in to the lifestyle (his knowledge of the bible was still limited). A few months later I found websites on our computer for "bisexual/married" etc and found flirtatious emails between him and another man. This was hard because we were both in church and both very serious about our walk with God. We are still friends to this day (he lives in Florida now and chose to live the lifestyle which is why we are no longer married) and he also is looking for a church. Unlike the young man you are talking with though, I don't believe my ex feels it is wrong to be gay. He had attended a church that is all inclusive that teaches that if they are monogamous it is ok and that when it speaks of homosexuality in the bible that it was referring to male prostitutes (not monogamous relationships..smh). He knows where I stand in my beliefs about his lifestyle, but I am not his judge. I still pray to God that the Holy Spirit will bring back to his remembrance all the truth that he used to know and believe and that God will not turn him over to his desires. My only advice to him (actually I was talking to him about this last week when he came up North for a visit) was that he would find a church that taught the bible and not one that explained away the sin of homosexuality. He agreed and I gave him his old Bible and am hoping he actually opens it up because in it are the verses he had highlighted about homosexuality and the notes about it his own handwriting.

I just wanted to share that so you know that I sympathize with what you are going though. Again...if this man really is serious about wanting to serve God then what God says about it is the only explanation needed at this point. Then the decision needs to be made if he is willing to walk away from that lifestyle and serve God. God can deliver him and take away the desires.. but he may choose not to. It may be something he deals with for the rest of his life. It becomes sin when he acts on the desires. God does not always give an explanation in the Bible why particular sins are sin...we just have to take Him at His word.

Please don't anyone attack me...I'm not trying to offend anyone. Just sharing from my heart. Even though I'm starting to think that my posts are invisible anyway. LOL

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by ixoye_val69

First of all...the fact that he is asking questions and wanting to find a church is a good thing. I think we as Christians tend to think of Homosexuality as a sin that is worse than any other. The fact is sin is sin. I never realized how hard it really is to try to explain why a sin is a sin without quoting the Bible. I also believe that if he wants to serve God then there is no reason why you should have to find a reason why he cannot love a man and serve God outside of the Bible. I mean if he is serious about wanting to serve God then he has to be willing to live by God's standards and not what society says is ok to do. That is not always easy...really it is rarely easy. I also do not believe we have to be perfect before coming to Him. It is the work of God that will convict and bring about the change in him. If he was just a homosexual who had no desire to serve or believe in God then I can see why you would want an explanation outside of the Bible of why it is wrong.

I can relate somewhat to what you are dealing with. My ex husband and I (I am remarried now) were childhood friends and when we got older we fell in love and got married. We were married almost 7 years and he wanted to mentor a man who claimed to be a gay Christian. I begged him to really pray about it because I believed he could get sucked in to the lifestyle (his knowledge of the bible was still limited). A few months later I found websites on our computer for "bisexual/married" etc and found flirtatious emails between him and another man. This was hard because we were both in church and both very serious about our walk with God. We are still friends to this day (he lives in Florida now and chose to live the lifestyle which is why we are no longer married) and he also is looking for a church. Unlike the young man you are talking with though, I don't believe my ex feels it is wrong to be gay. He had attended a church that is all inclusive that teaches that if they are monogamous it is ok and that when it speaks of homosexuality in the bible that it was referring to male prostitutes (not monogamous relationships..smh). He knows where I stand in my beliefs about his lifestyle, but I am not his judge. I still pray to God that the Holy Spirit will bring back to his remembrance all the truth that he used to know and believe and that God will not turn him over to his desires. My only advice to him (actually I was talking to him about this last week when he came up North for a visit) was that he would find a church that taught the bible and not one that explained away the sin of homosexuality. He agreed and I gave him his old Bible and am hoping he actually opens it up because in it are the verses he had highlighted about homosexuality and the notes about it his own handwriting.

I just wanted to share that so you know that I sympathize with what you are going though. Again...if this man really is serious about wanting to serve God then what God says about it is the only explanation needed at this point. Then the decision needs to be made if he is willing to walk away from that lifestyle and serve God. God can deliver him and take away the desires.. but he may choose not to. It may be something he deals with for the rest of his life. It becomes sin when he acts on the desires. God does not always give an explanation in the Bible why particular sins are sin...we just have to take Him at His word.

Please don't anyone attack me...I'm not trying to offend anyone. Just sharing from my heart. Even though I'm starting to think that my posts are invisible anyway. LOL

Only invisible to those who believe their posts are the only ones which are pertinent!

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Did anyone other than me actually answer the question?

Um... *raises hand*. Maybe I'm just invisible. :P

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Sean

Because anal sex is filthy(wallowing in human excrement) and he will get AIDS...Tell him sex is not worth it to become so degrading with his body.

This is an inaccurate statement. As houston said, lots of hetero people have AIDS, and I'll be as crass as you and state that lots of hetero people have anal sex, too.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Most won't like this but, I heard a Baptist preacher speaking about homosexuality and he said your Mom taught you a couple things when you were a kid that apply to two men having sex. Those two reasons are pain and odor. A man's body was not made for sex with another man, not to mention disease.

Originally Posted by Sean

Because anal sex is filthy(wallowing in human excrement) and he will get AIDS...Tell him sex is not worth it to become so degrading with his body.

Amen!

[Esaias]

Back to the original question.

Men having sex with men is sin because God designed sex as the means of reproduction between a man and a woman. It is designed by God as the means for a man and womand to bond physically, emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually, as one. Gay sex is therefore "unnatural" and is a forsaking of the natural use of the woman as Romans puts it. Therefore God forbade it, and that makes it sin.

It is the homosexual act which is forbidden, not "loving" someone. Homosexuality so called is basically a misplaced boundary in regard to appropriate behaviour.

A man can love women but is not to fornicate or commit adultery. Same basic principle.

If he utterly refuses heterosexual marriage then he must remain celibate. Which is true for ALL men anyway.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Um... *raises hand*. Maybe I'm just invisible. :P

Was it too much eye of newt, and bat wing in your smoothie this morning which gave you the power of invisibility?

[houston]

Lol

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Was it too much eye of newt, and bat wing in your smoothie this morning which gave you the power of invisibility?