Matthew 24 fulfilled

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Like I said, I concluded the same thing from KJV study of the passage. That version had no bearing on my conclusions. I found it agreed later!



Obviously that made no difference in my analysis of the KJV version of that passage. I have done much study on the received text and manuscript evidence, btw. I know how the TR is superior.

Ever Read Edward HIlls' THE KJV DEFENDED?

I know what you believe Mike, I was surprised that you "tossed" that guys' "commentary" bible out there. I kinda thought you were a KJV guy like me.
I was worried that Pastor Febus was getting the best of you for a minute...LOL

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believed it meant that before I even knew another version flatly stated it. "This" meant the one to whom he spoke. He did not say "that." It's simple English.

Preachers who aren't even preterist can see that.

Like this?

Luke 17:25 KJV

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

[Truthseeker]

Matthew 24:33 KJV

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


What does the word you mean in this text?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Matthew 24:33 KJV

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


What does the word you mean in this text?

"YOU" is the saints that would ACTUALLY SEE these events described prior to the passage. These events that HAVE NOT HAPPENED yet.

To clarify, if WE(you and I), see the signs here.....

1 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.




Then, when we BEGIN to see these things happen...LOOK UP!...

Luke 21:28

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

[Truthseeker]

He said "when ye (you) see these things" clear he was speaking of them he spoke to.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

He said "when ye (you) see these things" clear he was speaking of them he spoke to.

Only the 12 disciples?

[Sean]

"This" generation was describing a generation to see particular multiple events in prophecy.

As in.....Verily I say unto you, This(particular) generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.(see these events fulfilled, they will happen in 7 years, not multiple generations)

[Sean]

The fact that these end time events have not occurred, lets us know that we are still LOOKING for the particular generation the Lord was addressing.

[Truthseeker]

There is no indication in that chapter it was gong to happen beyond those he spoke to. He said you over and over.

[Truthseeker]

Matthew 24:4-5 KJV

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

"Deceive you" not them