Apostolics with Different Standards

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've befriended some Christian Quakers who strongly believe that individuals should be allowed and encouraged to individually follow the leading of the Spirit in many of these areas as it might relate to them individually. That's called... a personal relationship with God.

Good man.

Spirit and Truth is what will unify his people.

[aaronliford07]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

So basically you are saying let each Apostolic church do what they feel, monitor their own folks and leave other apostolic churches alone.


I have a huge problem with that. It's not truth. God did not come here so everyone could have their own opinions and set up churches according to them. There is one church, one body.

1 Corinth. 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


We are not suppose to be on our own separate islands. We are suppose to be unified.

The problem with Apostolic churches are these blanket standards to which people are judged by.

For example, most apostolic churches condemn "short skirts". They will pound you to death as to not wear them, if you do you are of your Father the devil if you do. That is not what they should be doing. They should preach/teach modesty and let people make their own personal standard.

The bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It does not say for the church to work it out.

So in a nutshell, how can we all come together as one. Get rid of these made up standards, stick to the Word and let the Holy Ghost that God gives his people lead us to perfection.

I believe that we should all be unified and under one doctrine of standards. However, that is never going to happen. That's just reality.

What I was saying is that you as a SAINT have no obligation or authority to undermine what the pastor of another apostolic church or even your church is saying. Only the spiritual leaders (5 five fold ministry) has the obligation of teaching and rebuking. If you are not of the ministry then you have no obligation or authority to teach and rebuke. We are called to PREACH.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by aaronliford07

I believe that we should all be unified and under one doctrine of standards. However, that is never going to happen. That's just reality.

What I was saying is that you as a SAINT have no obligation or authority to undermine what the pastor of another apostolic church or even your church is saying. Only the spiritual leaders (5 five fold ministry) has the obligation of teaching and rebuking. If you are not of the ministry then you have no obligation or authority to teach and rebuke. We are called to PREACH.

Jim Jones would agree with you. If they teach lies and will not repent they need to be voted out. We are told to watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing.

Does your church have a board of elders Or a one man show? Pastoring is a position of servanthood. Not of a dictator to rule.

[aaronliford07]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Jim Jones would agree with you. If they teach lies and will not repent they need to be voted out. We are told to watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing.

Does your church have a board of elders Or a one man show? Pastoring is a position of servanthood. Not of a dictator to rule.

I am in the UPC and my church does have a board.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by aaronliford07

I am in the UPC and my church does have a board.

I have noticed that most church boards are little more than rubber stamps for the pastor.

We need to make sure the Church boards have some real power.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by aaronliford07

I am in the UPC and my church does have a board.

I should have known.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by aaronliford07

I believe that we should all be unified and under one doctrine of standards. However, that is never going to happen. That's just reality.

Just so I'm clear, you are saying that 1 Corinth 1:10 is never going to happen?
I'm sad you feel that way. Very discouraging.

Why do you feel that way? Please elaborate.

[aaronliford07]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

Just so I'm clear, you are saying that 1 Corinth 1:10 is never going to happen?
I'm sad you feel that way. Very discouraging.

Why do you feel that way? Please elaborate.

It's mainly because of the egos that men have. I have seen it multiple times. My pastor has tried unify all the apostolic churches in Tampa but others refused because it would make them look different to others. Also, in order to unification there will be the need to have submission. Its the hardest thing for another man to submit themselves to another man. Everyone either wants to be independent or democratic.

I wish that we could be unified. We would be so much more effective as a church.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by aaronliford07

It's mainly because of the egos that men have. I have seen it multiple times. My pastor has tried unify all the apostolic churches in Tampa but others refused because it would make them look different to others. Also, in order to unification there will be the need to have submission. Its the hardest thing for another man to submit themselves to another man. Everyone either wants to be independent or democratic.

I wish that we could be unified. We would be so much more effective as a church.

Ok. I am suppose to submit to my pastor but it is totally fine if pastors can't submit to one another? Is that of God?

Pastors can have egos but us regular church folks can't? Is that of God?

These are suppose to be the people we look up to! (which is another topic for discussion) They are not of God.

See one of the reasons I left my church because I knew my church was not trying to hear unification unless they were at the top of the pyramid. That my friend is not Godly at all.

God bless your Pastor for trying.

[KWSS1976]

Arron, Deuteronomy 22:5 is one I am referring to