Oh WAKE UP people!!

[Originalist]

I see nothing in the words of Christ that ban Christians from working for their government or holding elected office. Furthermore, Jesus "not resisting" is not a mandate for us not to resist the evils of men at times IMO. He did not resist because he had a world to die for. I do not think that was a mandate for believers never to resist if, for example, their home is being broken into or their wife is being raped before their very eyes. Paul resisted at times by escaping authorities who were pursuing him.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I see nothing in the words of Christ that ban Christians from working for their government or holding elected office. Furthermore, Jesus "not resisting" is not a mandate for us not to resist the evils of men at times IMO. He did not resist because he had a world to die for. I do not think that was a mandate for believers never to resist if, for example, their home is being broken into or their wife is being raped before their very eyes. Paul resisted at times by escaping authorities who were pursuing him.

I wouldn't say Christians holding office is a sin or anything close, but Christians being in any capacity where they could cause violence to others is, at best, misguided, and they should think long and hard about it, because the compromises one must make to work with others in that situation will change them, and not for the better. Much better to work from the periphery on their own terms and control.

Did the early Christians resist as they were being put to death? Or did people marvel at how well they died? I am not taking these situations lightly , but we must be honest with ourselves.

(that said, nothing wrong with hitting the thief/rapist over the head with a chair)

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

I wouldn't say Christians holding office is a sin or anything close, but Christians being in any capacity where they could cause violence to others is, at best, misguided, and they should think long and hard about it, because the compromises one must make to work with others in that situation will change them, and not for the better. Much better to work from the periphery on their own terms and control.

Did the early Christians resist as they were being put to death? Or did people marvel at how well they died? I am not taking these situations lightly , but we must be honest with ourselves.

(that said, nothing wrong with hitting the thief/rapist over the head with a chair)

They were put to death because they were captured. Paul evaded capture at times. Though when confronted by authorities for the gospel,if there was no way to escape I would not resist. However, revolution against evil is a different topic altogether IMO. Are you saying the American Revolution was a sin?

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Are you saying the American Revolution was a sin?

I would not have participated.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

I would not have participated.

But God sets up Governments without human intent? You probably would not have helped Joshua or David then.

[n david]

Rudy & Seguidordejesus:

Do you believe there was not one civil servant during the period of the early church which was a Christian, or became a Christian while they were working in civil government?

I don't read of any grace or salvation litmus test in the Bible. Not even in the Nearly Inspired Version.

Yet, we read that God used Esther to save her people. Good thing she didn't believe she shouldn't be involved in civil government. Obviously she should have just kept her mouth shut and allowed her people to die, I mean, since many in the early church allowed themselves to be killed for Christ.

Or for that matter, what of Daniel? Joseph? These men and Esther were serving pagan Kings and Pharaohs.

You can read many stories of Godly people becoming involved in civil government. What you cannot find is any verse or chapter where it is either forbidden or hinted against doing so.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Do you REALLY believe we didn't understand our own Constitution for almost 200 years until a 1962 Supreme Court told us what it REALLY meant and declared prayer in public schools to be illegal? Do you??

Even if you see no value in prayer in public schools you should still be outraged that 9 judges stole a right from the sovereign States.

But you just sit there and take it!! You think you have no recourse. Do you really believe that these 9 judges know better how to interpret the Constitution than those who actually wrote it?? Or have you believed the lie that the Constitution is a "living breathing document" that can be interpreted to fit changing times?

Do you really believe that gays have a right to marry under the 14th Amendment? Why did it take us 160 years to figure that out?

Do you really believe that States requiring photo ID's to vote is unconstitutional?

Do you really believe that States denying welfare to illegal aliens is unconstitutional?

Right now the City of San Francisco allows public nudity. Groups are suing right now to allow this right nation wide under the 14th amendment. Do you really believe that the 14th Amendment protects such a thing?

We sit by year after year and take this garbage from liberal courts and WHY? Where are the governors who will simply ignore these rulings and dare the Federal Government to do anything about it? If just ONE brave governor would take a stand you would see literally tens of thousands of patriots flocking to his side preventing Federal marshals from intervening or arresting such a governor.

These judges are no longer interpreting the Constitution. Rather they are legislating from the bench and using their positions to actually undermine the Constitution. We DO NOT have to take this!!

We do not have to bow to a lawless President and we do not have to obey lawless judges. But if you think any of this can be resolved without civil disobedience you are dreaming. These judges are going to have to be scared off the bench. They are going to have to see angry mobs surrounding their offices and homes. They are going to have to see the fury of the American people starring them right in the eye. NO I am NOT even remotely hinting and doing what Timothy McVeigh did. I'm talking about doing what our colonial ancestors did.

"No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier" (2 Tim. 2:4).

How does your expressed position align with Paul's instructions to Timothy?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Lafon

"No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier" (2 Tim. 2:4).

How does your expressed position align with Paul's instructions to Timothy?

Brother, are you sure you are quoting that verse in context?

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Brother, are you sure you are quoting that verse in context?

If not, then please, won't you enlighten me?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Lafon

If not, then please, won't you enlighten me?

Should we attend PTA meetings?