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Old 01-30-2015, 08:59 PM
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Re: Why I Am A Futurist

Im a "full futurist"...LOL
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:02 PM
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Were you angry as you typed the above Mike? Because I haven't a clue as to what you are saying when you post that people who believe in a fulfilled eschatology don't believe any of the New Testament was written to them?
My question to Prets has been the same since post 1. The entire point you attempt to make is that since Yeshua spoke the things in Matt 24 it ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE PEOPLE.

It has no meaning for us 20 centuries later because it only refers to that particular group.

That is your foundation.

So my point is how is any of the scriptures applicable to us? Our name is found NOWHERE in the New Testament. The Lord and Savior came (according to you) in 70ad. He took his people to Heaven.

The gospels, the book of Acts, and especially the book of Revelation were all written to THOSE PEOPLE. The teachings that prepared THOSE RAPTURED PEOPLE for their trip to Heaven were not given to anyone except those who were preparing for such.

So the question WHO ARE WE is logical to ask. The people to whom the New Testament was written to were ANOTHER PEOPLE. Not us as your doctrine proclaims.

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Old 01-31-2015, 02:23 AM
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Here is a good example as to what Im saying.

Let us remember.......who is being addressed?

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. Acts 2:5-13

People back in THE FIRST CENTURY of differing nationalities heard the preaching of the Apostles to themselves. When the Apostles preached the message WE WERE NOT THERE. Peter told THEM the following.

37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

So the Apostles told the men of THAT UNTOWARD GENERATION to repent be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. Then he said this promise was FOR THEM and their children and people who were far off.

So there (according to Pret logic) we can safely contend that what Peter told the crowd that day was ONLY FOR THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN! It was only for THAT UNTOWARD GENERATION.

So as Yeshua said in Matt 24 THIS generation shall not pass the Prets claim it is limited to the generation he spoke it to. They must now accept that the preaching of Acts chapter two as being limited to THAT UNTOWARD GENERATION.

See how this works Dom? So you really have no authority to tell anyone to do what Peter told THAT GENERATION AND THEIR CHILDREN to do.

So since the people that followed Peters instructions went to Heaven in 70 ad WHO ARE WE? Has Yeshua's teachings of salvation any meaning to us?

For us to try to claim Acts 2 as being for us 20 centuries after the coming of Yeshua taking his people back to Heaven would be like someone in the first century Apostolic Church looking at Moses teachings and telling everyone they must follow his teachings for salvation. It would not have applied at that time.
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Old 01-31-2015, 02:36 AM
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So we are continually mocked who believe there is a future fulfillment to prophecy. We are ridiculed as "dispensationalists".

And yet what we have discovered is that the Prets THEMSELVES are the most extreme dispensationlists.

They have created a very limited and short dispensation from Pentecost to 70ad in which the rapture took place.

Next they have a 20 centuries dispensation that they have not explained as to WHO IS IN IT. 20 centuries have passed by of people who were NOT involved in the rapture, neither were they ever promised such a thing.

So friends WHO ARE WE ANYHOW? What relevance does the preaching of Christ have to us? Was there plan B given somewhere to teach those of us who were never promised a rapture to Heaven?

Or are we simply doomed because we are not even mentioned in the Bible? WHO ARE WE?
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Old 01-31-2015, 06:51 AM
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Re: Why I Am A Futurist

Dom,

You are currently teaching your doctrine in all threads about the end time. I started this one as a witness to why one would believe in a future coming of Christ and resurrection from the dead.

Instead of demanding that I answer your questions why dont you answer mine?

I really just have one main question for you.

If the resurrection happened in 70ad WHO ARE WE?
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:45 AM
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This is going on in the brain of benehaha....

Hey Nicodemus, you must be born again!....

WHAAAATTT!!!....

Oh, by the way, lets talk prophecy of the future Israel in Jer. since you dont understand the subject I just introduced, okay!....

Okay Jesus, at least I am familiar with that....it's all through our scriptures.
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This is going on in the brain of benehaha....

Hey Nicodemus, you must be born again!....

WHAAAATTT!!!....

Oh, by the way, lets talk prophecy of the future Israel in Jer. since you dont understand the subject I just introduced, okay!....

Okay Jesus, at least I am familiar with that....it's all through our scriptures.
But Sean, then with that same logic, why is Jeremiah being told about an Exclusive New Covenant to Jews living in a future Millennium?

Was the readers in Romans supposed to understand that the writer was speaking of an Exclusive New Covenant being given to Jews living in a future Millennium?
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But Sean, then with that same logic, why is Jeremiah being told about an Exclusive New Covenant to Jews living in a future Millennium?

Because God is a promise keeper.

Was the readers in Romans supposed to understand that the writer was speaking of an Exclusive New Covenant being given to Jews living in a future Millennium?
Yes
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Sean, I understand God keeps His promises, but you refuse to explain how your doctrine for a future Exclusive New Covenant being offered to a special group of Jews in the Millennium? Does it say in Revelation in the verses you offered that an Exclusive New Covenant to a special group of Jews would be given to them unconditionally in the Millennium?
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