My visit to a Messianic service yesterday - Page 11

mfblume · #1 02-19-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Messianic refers to the MESSIAH...which he loved, YESHUA.

Apostolic is a term referring to the Apostles. Im sure he would have rather been focused on the MESSIAH and not on his servants.

John 17:20 seems to be a focus on the apostles, as well. But I see your point.

Abiding Now · #2 02-19-2015, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Messianic refers to the MESSIAH...which he loved, YESHUA.

Apostolic is a term referring to the Apostles. Im sure he would have rather been focused on the MESSIAH and not on his servants.

I understand, but the so called "messianic" folks I have met were more focused on Jewish customs that on the Messiah.

Sean · #3 02-20-2015, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I understand, but the so called "messianic" folks I have met were more focused on Jewish customs that on the Messiah.

Thats what I noticed. I know apostolics that are part of CLC and practicing this stuff.
They remind me of how kids dress up in costumes sometimes.(trying to look like Jewish rabbis')
Some of them are good friends.
They are mixed up because of the many N.T. verses and passages that tell us the law is still in effect for sinners (only), and the churches generally have no answer for them.(The churches generally teach the Law is "done away" for all mankind in error)

Michael The Disciple · #4 02-20-2015, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I understand, but the so called "messianic" folks I have met were more focused on Jewish customs that on the Messiah.

Well I have to agree....at least ones I met so far.I still like the name "Messianic" tho.

KeptByTheWord · #5 02-20-2015, 02:44 PM

Lafon, with all your reasoning, scriptures, and such... you still have not addressed how or where the Bible explicitly states that they must be a "true" or pure Jew in order for this to happen. This is where your view gets muddy. You are saying no "true" Jew can be saved, although we know many that have Jewish bloodlines as far back as history can trace, and they are getting saved. Your way of "excluding" them by saying they are Trinitarian is a false premise as well. What gives you the right to decide if they've got to have the right eschatology in order to obtain salvation?

Your posts leave me shaking my head. I do believe that at some point there will be an entire nation, or group of Jews who will turn to the Lord.... but that understanding does not believe that "no" Jew can be saved until that point in time. Quite the contrary!

KeptByTheWord · #6 02-20-2015, 02:52 PM

Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to EVERY ONE THAT BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

That should settle this discussion .... the gospel of Christ is for EVERYONE that believeth, Jews first, and then Greeks.

KeptByTheWord · #7 02-20-2015, 02:59 PM

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Esaias · #8 02-20-2015, 03:07 PM

From what I can tell most "messianics" are charismatic christian gentiles who want to play at being jewish. Some actually do become jewish (talmud and all). A few may actually be former jews who became christians (jews for jesus btw seems to have disavowed the messianics).

And then there's Cohen Reckhart...

KeptByTheWord · #9 02-20-2015, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

From what I can tell most "messianics" are charismatic christian gentiles who want to play at being jewish. Some actually do become jewish (talmud and all). A few may actually be former jews who became christians (jews for jesus btw seems to have disavowed the messianics).

And then there's Cohen Reckhart...

Yes, it seems to be a dangerous trap that people can fall into... once going back and taking on all the Jewish customs, and as you begin to immerse yourself into that culture, I have known of a few people who have rejected Christ (with Baptist background) because of their immersion into the Jewish culture.

Most gentile Messianic people I've met are very sincere, but you are right... they feel that it is a more authentic religion than what they came out of.

Michael The Disciple · #10 02-20-2015, 07:09 PM

The early Messianic movement was simply about Jews finding that Jesus (Yeshua) was the Messiah. It later evolved into a return to the law of God as given to Moses for Israel. Then certain streams of it taught that ALL must keep the law of Moses.

To me the good that came out of the movement was the recovering of the sacred names and the good Messianic worship.