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Originally Posted by n david
I was raised in the UPCI, though I'm not with any organization now. My father has been a licensed minister with the UPCI for almost 65 years. He started a couple churches and has pastored in different areas for over 50 years, 35 of which was at one church. Both my parents have been in various District departments, and because of that, most of my childhood and teenage years were spent traveling around various states.
I say this because I have never visited or known of a church with the UPCI which believes the Holy Ghost is subsequent to salvation. And I definitely haven't visited or known of a church with the UPCI which believes in the Roman's 10 confession for salvation nonesense.
What are the names of these churches with the UPCI which believe in a Roman's 10 confession for salvation or that the Holy Ghost is just subsequent to salvation? Where are they located? What are the names of the Pastors?
I'm well aware of the history of the UPCI and the merger. The UPCI does not believe in a Roman's 10 confession for salvation, nor does it believe that the Holy Ghost is a benefit which comes after salvation. It has always believed that the New Birth and plan of salvation is what the Bible says: repentence, water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in tongues.
I'm glad you've found an assembly to join.
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David Bernard estimates that 85% of the brethren at the merger were solid on the
Acts 2:38 new birth message. His logic in here:
https://www.facebook.com/davidkberna...tal_comments=3
You will notice he also recognizes what he calls the 2/3s or 2/3ers, these were brethren who still adhered to the old saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost doctrine. We have at least two of these men here in our district. They also baptize in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost which is Jesus name! Heresy of heresies!!! I am not a world traveler like yourself so I can only say what I have heard. The districts that I have heard tend to have more of the 2/3ers are (I may not hit it perfect) Wisconsin, N. and S. Dakota, Idaho, some in the Carolinas, Texas, and I know of a couple in California. They do exist despite your omniscience.
I am not sure what you mean by the
Romans 10 nonsense. Have you read that there is joy in heaven over one sinner who repents? Strange behavior I would say for somebody who is not saved, or at the very least we should recognize this as a major step. I am not saying I disbelieve the
Acts 2:38 and new birth, I just don't think it is as cut and dry as many believe it to be. It is also that God left the Ethiopian eunuch unsaved by taking Phillip away in the Spirit before He received the HG baptism, and strange that Paul left the jailer unsaved by only baptizing him. I think salvation is more a relationship process than it is a specific event. And I believe this relationship process contains several events that are all important to the process, including repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues.
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