The Effects of A Loud Shout | Raul Alvear Jr. :) - Page 6

Esaias · #1 09-16-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by shag

Not arguing your point, but on that subject, according to scripture(1?) in the ot God inhabited the praises of his people Israel, yet in the nt God inhabits His people. To me, to say "God shows up when we praise him is a bit conflicting, seeing he has already shown up and resides in us if we are filled w His spirit.

After hearing multiple times from the pulpit "the bible says God inhabits the praise of His people", I finally looked it up to verify that's what it says...it doesn't really say that...and the focus of that verse is actually Gods holiness and not so much "inhabiting Israel's praise."

But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. - Psalm 22:3

The verse declares that God, who inhabits the praises of his people, is holy.

The word inhabits means (technically) to sit down. The idea is not that God "shows up when people praise him" (that is actually expressed elsewhere). Rather the idea is that God is enthroned in the praises of his people. Which is obvious - our praises exalt him and declare that he is King. More importantly, the scriptures depict the throne of God as surrounded by celestial beings giving eternal, on going praise and worship. From a practical standpoint, this means when we praise God WE ENTER THE THRONEROOM and participate in the heavenly worship. ALL WORSHIP IS FOR OUR PRACTICAL BENEFIT. God has declared he has no need of any acts of worship. Therefore worship is a necessity due to our nature. It changes us, enabling us to get on God's page and into HIS "state of mind" if you will.

The distinction between inhabiting the praises of his people vs inhabiting Israel is one of perspective. More importantly, no verse or passage teaches "under the old covenant God dwelt in the people's praises, but under the new covenant he dwells in the people themselves." The supposed contrast (as stated) does not scripturally exist. The verse is not referring to any individual Israelite but to the covenant nation as a whole.

And that verse has always been, and always be, true.

Praxeas · #2 09-17-2015, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MawMaw

I still believe that God loves LOUD praise.
He is worthy of all the mighty praising I can muster.
So much more worthy!!

So it's only good praise if it reaches a specific decibel?

Folks..Praise is what WE do. God never said "When you praise me, it better be ear piercingly LOUD or it won't mean snot to me.

n david · #3 09-15-2015, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Amen

Some people are just so starchy and dry as winter wheat. I posted this thread because I listened not only to Brother Alvear Jr, but to the excitement of the congregation listening to him. Everyone not only felt the power of God, but they had a good time doing it! Send it on down! Good job Brother R. Alvear Jr. Good job!

Amen!

n david · #4 09-15-2015, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

If the heart is not right, even your prayer is detestable to the Lord. Shall we then forego prayer because someone somewhere might pray with the wrong attitude?

The bible describes worship and praise. Shouting is included, so if you don't like shoutin' you don't like biblical worship.

The bible goes further and COMMANDS shouting. Do you prefer God's opinion or your own personal feelings on the matter? Conform to scripture, be conformed to God's Way, and follow in the footsteps of all the saints of God who have gone before you, be a part of something far older than yourself, something that will in fact be eternal.

OR, harrumph in your seat, clamp your throat down, be mum, be "dignified" like the Pharisees who demanded Jesus stop all that noisemaking his disciples and the people were doing, and risk the same rebuke from the Lord.

Some people are so out of touch with biblical worship it's amazing!

Is there MORE than shouting? CERTAINLY! But just as there is more to parenting than playing with your kids, that doesn't mean we quit playing with our kids "because there's more to parenting than playing." Just so with worship.

Some of us got religion so good we can't help but shout unto God with the voice of triumph. And, sadly, some don't have much to shout about...

Sean · #5 09-15-2015, 09:50 PM

Howbout when the LORD JESUS shouts!!!.....

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I want to hear Him shout, howbout you all?

Sean · #6 09-15-2015, 09:55 PM

We will be noisy in heaven too....

Revelation 19
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:...

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Praxeas · #7 09-17-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

We will be noisy in heaven too....

Revelation 19
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:...

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Not because God is deaf or He won't receive our praise or the noise will shred the prince of the air.

Its about what we are feeling

FlamingZword · #8 09-15-2015, 10:29 PM

If we would hold our peace the stones would cry out.

shout for joy.
of course if you have no joy, then you have nothing to shout about.

Esaias · #9 09-15-2015, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

shout for joy.
of course if you have no joy, then you have nothing to shout about.

+1!

J.A. Perez · #10 09-15-2015, 11:22 PM

If somehow we could get all the people in the world, at one time, in one accord for 1 million years, shouting at the top of their lungs and giving God praise. It would never be enough to thank him for one drop of his precious blood.

I know I could never shout enough, could never praise Him enough. But I gonna die trying!