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shazeep · #1 02-01-2016, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I fear its going to take great tribulation, great suffering and loss for many in our fashionable Churches to come back to the simplicity of faith and love toward the person of Jesus and his ways. Where they perhaps would feel some kinship with those who dont measure up to "their" standards.

Let the dead bury the dead.

Servant's <3 · #2 02-02-2016, 02:39 PM

Michael does have a point, even if it is not what is being talked about at the moment.

Having a "respect of persons" is a big problem in the church. It is NOT mostly found in who wears clothing in the style of the church as much as it is found in who is wealthy and who is not.

Everybody wants to be friends with and make sure their children are friends with the wealthy. They make plans with the wealthy etc etc. Few if any show any care toward those with less.

I cannot speak for all churches but at the 5-6 I have either visited or attend in my area none of them have ever made mention of someone's lack of "proper attire" for coming into the church building. I am not talking about for myself either. I have had friends come to church in blue jeans/t-shirts. I know of several people who only wear blue jeans and/or flannel shirts to church. They have been coming for years. If someone has said something to them, they either ignored those people or it was never made mention.

Now, as to platform standards (which is what I think you really have a problem with), if a pastor desires those that preach from the pulpit or lead others in singing to dress a certain way, that is their choice. If you desire to sing/preach at that church then you should conform to the desires of the pastor concerning dress. If you don't want to conform because of (probably pride but I can't say definitively) whatever reason you wish to present, that is your choice, you should find somewhere else to preach/sing. If you can't find somewhere else to preach/sing then I suggest you think about what is really important.

Is "I shouldn't have to wear a suit to preach/sing" more important than "God desires me to minister" ?

Jermyn Davidson · #3 02-06-2016, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Servant's <3

Michael does have a point, even if it is not what is being talked about at the moment.

Having a "respect of persons" is a big problem in the church. It is NOT mostly found in who wears clothing in the style of the church as much as it is found in who is wealthy and who is not.

I am resisting the urge to try to come up with a "one-size-fits-all" kind of response to these types of situations. There are some situations where it would be very appropriate to offer additional cover to a visitor (or maybe even member). There are other situations where the visitor or member may appear even more immodest and to offer them cover would do more immediate harm than good.

We need love. We need discernment. We need wisdom.

Evang.Benincasa · #4 01-31-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

I am gainfully employed by the Walmart corporation, and enjoy my job immensely. The current running under some of the comments about the people who shop there is very judgmental and, in my opinion, ungodly.

If you were predisposed to evangelize the lost, working at Walmart is about the best thing you could hope to do. Did we forget that the "People of Walmart" are lost sinners needing a Savior?

And for the record, for every one or even ten oddly or even inappropriately apparelled person or persons who shop at Walmart across the USA, there are literally thousands upon thousands who shop there every day, who do not dress or comport themselves in any odd or inappropriate way.

I see countless hundreds, and some times thousands of people every week, and guess what? Almost none of that number qualify for the comments being made here.

I believe you are missing the point.

votivesoul · #5 02-02-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I believe you are missing the point.

Perhaps. But perhaps making a point at the expense of sinners who "can't discern between their right hand and their left hand" isn't the way to go?

Evang.Benincasa · #6 02-03-2016, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

Perhaps. But perhaps making a point at the expense of sinners who "can't discern between their right hand and their left hand" isn't the way to go?

I understand you, but using the label "sinner' doesn't excuse people from walking into a 7 11 only wearing slippers, pajama bottoms and a bra.

Esaias · #7 01-31-2016, 12:06 AM

Give me a 'W'! Give me an 'A'! Give me an 'L'! Give me a 'squiggly mark!' Give me an 'M'!....

votivesoul · #8 02-03-2016, 10:27 PM

There is no excuse for sin, not even ignorance, in the judgment. But why does a person walk into a 7/11 in only slippers, pajamas, and a bra?

Because she (and sometimes, he) IS A SINNER. So, in either case, the point being made against someone for doing such a thing is because they are dead in trespasses, and don't know much better.

If and when these folks receive the Holy Spirit, they fly right soon enough!

Evang.Benincasa · #9 02-03-2016, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

There is no excuse for sin, not even ignorance, in the judgment. But why does a person walk into a 7/11 in only slippers, pajamas, and a bra?

Because she (and sometimes, he) IS A SINNER. So, in either case, the point being made against someone for doing such a thing is because they are dead in trespasses, and don't know much better.

If and when these folks receive the Holy Spirit, they fly right soon enough!

Sorry, but my parents (who would of definitely been classified as sinners) would disagree. Being able to get yourself together is in no way a religious experience. Causal attire has taken on a whole new meaning.

shazeep · #10 02-04-2016, 07:58 AM

i am surprised, VS. How is the 711 person "sinning?"