Sword at the entrance - Page 3

mfblume · #1 05-21-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

after we believe the work of God to make us righteous as a gift. And once we have that righteousness, THEN we will work. And then and then only can the entrance be ours to use.

and how would those who know these things, and believe, yet refuse to enter be identified?

as I have always said. .. by their fruits.

houston · #2 05-21-2016, 05:39 PM

Someone tell that guy that here is belief/faith and belief/acknowledgement.

mfblume · #3 05-21-2016, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Someone tell that guy that here is belief/faith and belief/acknowledgement.

lol

Amen!

shazeep · #4 05-22-2016, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

Someone tell that guy that here is belief/faith and belief/acknowledgement.

exactly. Belief is then properly delineated from faith, even though we might use the word "belief" when "faith" is what we mean. But of course any time one gets close to an OP dichotomy, any simple understanding that should take maybe 2 posts is going to take 2 pages, and be replete with caveats. Yikes.

FlamingZword · #5 05-22-2016, 10:33 AM

Satan knows there is a God , his knowledge does not come from faith or belief, but from actual experience, he was there, he does not need faith, he simply remembers.

We humans have never been there, we do need faith and belief in heaven and in God, whom we have never seen.

mfblume · #6 05-22-2016, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Satan knows there is a God , his knowledge does not come from faith or belief, but from actual experience, he was there, he does not need faith, he simply remembers.

We humans have never been there, we do need faith and belief in heaven and in God, whom we have never seen.

Right. Faith is depending upon what was SAID and SPOKEN, and trusting in it to be true without any physical evidence it is true.

shazeep · #7 05-23-2016, 10:17 AM

ok well the Bible says that satan believes also, so there must be a difference, except to you i guess. Never mind the larger point, i'm pretty sure it would be impossible to ever put it across anyway.

mfblume · #8 05-23-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ok well the Bible says that satan believes also, so there must be a difference, except to you i guess. Never mind the larger point, i'm pretty sure it would be impossible to ever put it across anyway.

Sigh

lol

You split hairs to the point of missing the forest. Again, Hebrews, NOT ME, say believing is what causes us to enter. Take it up with God. He inspired the word BELIEVING there, not me.

Please see why Hebrews 4 used BELIEVING in the context. That's where I got my message from and that's why I used that chapter's own terms. Take it up with God. He inspired it.

So in reality you're missing the larger picture of the whole point. You say I misuse belief, but Hebrews 4 used it! I merely repeated Heb 4's message and use of terms.

You took off on yet another wild rabbit trail! You really need to read the bible more closely.

mfblume · #9 05-23-2016, 10:35 AM

The whole point is getting self and doubt of God's work out of our hearts, and not, "What about the devil believing?"

Why did Hebrews 4 did not deal with that?

HINT: (BECAUSE IT IS NOT RELATED TO THE POINT!!)

Heb 4:3 KJV For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:6 KJV Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Heb 3:18 KJV And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Heb 3:19 KJV So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

mfblume · #10 05-23-2016, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

are you still trying to prove to me how belief and faith are equal? Have i not already said that yes, they can be synonymous? So in reality you are not going to get the benefit of understanding what the Bible means when it says SATAN ALSO BELIEVES. God can make believers out of rocks, and apparently He has seen fit to do so.

No I'm trying to show that unbelief is
what Hebrews 4 says can't enter. Again, take it up with the writer of Hebrews. you do read the bible right? Whatever Hebrews 4 meant is what I'm saying. Hebrews 4 used the word. I just used his terms. get my point?