Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

[shazeep]

If one's heart is 'right', one's life will be conformed to the Word of God. Thus, if one's heart is 'right', one will obey the gospel in the way the apostles preached it.

i would not disagree with either of these, but what will happen is that when you are done, billions of people will stand condemned by you because they may not have conformed to your definitions in some manner, and not because they did not understand sacrifice.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

If one's heart is 'right', one's life will be conformed to the Word of God. Thus, if one's heart is 'right', one will obey the gospel in the way the apostles preached it.

i would not disagree with either of these, but what will happen is that when you are done, billions of people will stand condemned by you because they may not have conformed to your definitions in some manner, and not because they did not understand sacrifice.

It's not our definitions of anything that save anyone. It's what the bible teaches that must be believed and obeyed.. It's not black.

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Shazeep, reconcile these two passages:

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

And...

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep, reconcile these two passages:

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

And...

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

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It's a matter of what faith in the cross means.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

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It's a matter of what faith in the cross means.

it might be best if you post your defense of 'all catholics are lost' in the poll, and maybe we can get some broader perspective here, ok?

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep, reconcile these two passages:

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

And...

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

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Interesting why this question is is being refused an answer. It betrays the underlying issue!!

Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep, reconcile these two passages:

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

And...

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

[shazeep]

One's heart cannot be right while their life or actions are wrong.

what does that have to do with "All Catholics are lost?" sorry, but no one is disputing this

[shazeep]

you have had plenty of opportunity to intervene with an opinion, but now you offer some irrelevant one concerning my reasoning abilities after the fact? Don't you know rational thinking will kill you? How is Hate your life rational? So, you have like one more post to make, and you might make it a good one.

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Shazeep why are you not answering my question about the Koran verse and the bible verse? Why are you not reconciling how people who believe that verse in the Koran can be saved? Every time I present scripture you never deal with it. This is a blatant pattern with you. You engage in long chats where scripture is not laid out and presented, and that enables you to say things like, "There are scriptures that prove you wrong." But when scriptures are actually laid out, you never say anything.

It's easy to make all these bravado claims about what's in the bible when you present no actual bible. But it becomes plain what is happening when bible is presented and you say nothing.

It's like someone touting words about how much they know law, and yet never quote it. And when a law book is presented, they cannot deal with it. It proves their claims to be error.

You're fine when no bible is actually laid out. But as soon as you're asked to prove your point by laying out scripture, and showing what parts of the scripture make your case, and why other beliefs cannot stand the point made by those parts of the scripture, you are silent.