Did we get the Swaggart scandal wrong? (V)

[shazeep]

we have about 5 threads on UD, and you have been promoting UD for the last year; why no defense of it there?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

we have about 5 threads on UD, and you have been promoting UD for the last year; why no defense of it there?

What is UD?

lol

This is what I mean. I don't know what you refer to.

Ok just added to this post with this note... Universal Dominion? Is that UD? I have not gotten into that thread at all, so I don't know what it's all about.

So did you mean I have promoted UD? You did not address this thought to anyone, and since it is posted after my posts, I assume you meant my perspective. But Dodrecht did post, too.

[shazeep]

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Originally Posted by shazeep

What's funny now?

[shazeep]

sorry, it's just that you started out there explaining how you did not understand, and ended up demonstrating that you understood just fine. I left that ambiguous so that you could choose to reply, or not, which is maybe contrary to some forum etiquette that i am not aware of. As to UD, i am sure that a spiritual case for Theonomy might be made within it, but it also appears to be the mechanism whereby They Are All Lost, which is granting de facto permission for atrocities in Christ's Name imo, and i am hardly alone. So i guess it depends upon who is doing the talking, at least until we get a common lexicon.

[shazeep]

Which btw it seems that we as humans are not able to do, for reasons that are definable, so at some point i think one must reflect upon the wisdom of saying nothing, and admitting that perhaps those with the most understanding are saying the least, not that i'm sure that that is appropriate in a forum, but i have witnessed the Amish practice of...Silence--i forget what they call it--and how it functions quite well in addressing sin, although it is counter-intuitive to most Christians.

i think it also indicates that the most Spiritual things that one might say cannot even be heard by those without ears for it--which we use as a put down but all suffer from--the intent here being to focus on the speaker, and not the hearer. I believe this is what Christ--and Paul, later--meant when they said that they have things to tell us that we cannot hear, and does not mean that Christ needs someone else to explain Him.

Christ did not have a slip of the tongue when He suggested that they drink His Blood and eat His Body, and transubstantiation is, i'm sorry, a damned lie, or else Christ would have filled a cup with His Blood, etc. Christ intentionally used the most offensive way to phrase that concept to a Jew, who held drinking blood to be a capital offense. The why of it is hard to grasp, until one reflects upon what He surely really meant, which i cannot define for you, but for me means "make room for your life in Christ, and not the other way around." "don't define Christ, let Christ define you." Even "if Christ is a comfortable concept for you, you have not met Christ yet."

Which i amply demonstrate, for instance, in my less thoughtful answers to you, as well as many other ways.
Lord Jesus, please don't come back yet!

[shazeep]

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." -- Matthew 13:10-11

"When he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables." -- Mark 4:10-11

"His disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables." -- Luke 8:9-10

so if Christ seems to need help to be understood, one might reflect upon these verses.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." -- Matthew 13:10-11

"When he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables." -- Mark 4:10-11

"His disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables." -- Luke 8:9-10

so if Christ seems to need help to be understood, one might reflect upon these verses.

John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

[shazeep]

by going to the Cross, or at least i think that is how that is usually understood? I think Christ might be suggesting that actions speak louder than words there.